[Skavau]

Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj

God said that whoever is not with Him is against Him, and you said it was bigoted.

If God exists and if he meant it as you advocated it then God is bigoted. No ifs nor buts. I am not opposed to the concept of a God(s) per se.

How exactly does one believe 'differently' on Christianity after having called Yahweh bigoted? It makes no sense. See, this is an example of the illusion that you atheists put up. It doesn't matter, every atheist on Earth goes against Christianity in some way.

That depends entirely how you define "goes against Christianity". If you define it as simply not being affiliated towards it then yes, of course - however the rest of us outside of your little definition bubble aren't bound by your absurd definitions nor standards.

I am not going to play your stupid semantics game in proving that literally every single atheist ever to grace Earth is such.

So rescind your claim them. If you can't show it, then you don't know it.

I don't need to ask about what is self-evident.

Apparently you do since you keep going wrong.

You atheists get so deep into your ideologies that you forget the obvious., you are arguing with a Christian. You cannot be in some harmonious balance or neutral ground with a holy book that tells you that you are an enemy.

Well, you've identified the aggressor anyway. You just declared all atheists "the enemy" and set out your scripture as the aggressor.

I am not bound by that book. Just like how Boko Haram in Nigeria declares all Non-Muslims their enemy you declare the same with atheists here. In neither circumstance are the declared enemies bound by the proclamations.

As far the Bible is concerned, you are doing nothing but disgruntling God's people. You all simply just do not get it.

"As far as the Bible is concerned..."

That's not my problem.

Stop thinking that any Christian is going to 'meet you in the middle'.

I don't need to think that. It has already happened.

I would suggest that if you all want a 'revolution', you all are just going to have to do as the Church and the Muslims did in 1100 AD.

I don't want a revolution.

Have you mistook me for someone else?

It's such a good connection because the Crusades were pointless., your extreme liberalism is pointless. Welcome to reality, life is not fair. When I see militant atheists, all I see are children. Spoiled, self-centered, argumentative children.

I'm not a militant atheist. I also don't know what you mean by "extreme liberalism".

[Skavau]

I'll ask again though: If you want to advance understanding, why do you insult and stereotype atheists? How is that helping anyone?

[Sum1sGruj]

Originally Posted by Skavau

If God exists and if he meant it as you advocated it then God is bigoted. No ifs nor buts. I am not opposed to the concept of a God(s) per se.

The Bible condemns atheists. It calls you all fools, and I don't disagree. Every atheist I have ever spoken to has the same depressing tone in how they address religion, if not in different forms. All one has to do is give them a little nudge and they yap like schoolgirls.
That is taking the veil off and revealing the truth. In my own opinion, people do not like the Bible because it exposes these things. It doesn't go along with the illusion that people put in front of others. There is a reason why God is called the Light. Because He penetrates right through these facades.

[Skavau]

Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj

The Bible condemns atheists. It calls you all fools, and I don't disagree.

I know. Did you imagine pointing that out would endear you or the Bible to me?

Every atheist I have ever spoken to has the same depressing tone in how they address religion, if not in different forms. All one has to do is give them a little nudge and they yap like schoolgirls.

I'm not addressing religion at this moment in time. If you've noticed, everyone here is responding to your perpetual attacks on atheism and atheists. You are on the offensive and we are on the defensive. You are also projecting in thinking it otherwise.

That is taking the veil off and revealing the truth. In my own opinion, people do not like the Bible because it exposes these things.

The Bible claiming that atheists are fools, or stating that those not with God are against God means nothing. It is just claims. Just words. It effects me as much as any book does (which is very little).

It doesn't go along with the illusion that people put in front of others. There is a reason why God is called the Light. Because He penetrates right through these facades.

Insisting that X is so =/= Demonstrating that X is so.

And I'll ask again: If you want to advance understanding, why do you insult and stereotype atheists? How is that helping anyone?

[organiccornflake]

Originally Posted by Skavau

I'll ask again though: If you want to advance understanding, why do you insult and stereotype atheists? How is that helping anyone?

He shouldn't. As atheists should not insult or stereotype Christians, or theists in general.

[Sum1sGruj]

Originally Posted by Skavau

And I'll ask again: If you want to advance understanding, why do you insult and stereotype atheists? How is that helping anyone?

My uncle-in-law has been an atheist his whole life. My aunt, however, is a very devout Christian. Nothing gets him to really be a Christian despite that he goes to church and often plays the guitar there. Whenever religion is talked about, he is skeptical. He holds no values for Christianity. He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.

See, some people are just stubborn. And he isn't a rocket scientist. In fact he is pretty old school, being about 65 years old. Science avails him not.

So what about those people with more drive who claim to be so endowed with science and so willingly subject their selves to that of militant atheists?
There is nothing I am able to do that is going to bring them closer to religion. You all have already made your minds, and so long as your life is fine and giving, you all will remain that way.

As such, you all take that and try to make it into something more. You all are not being persecuted. Anything that has happened in your life that was ill gotten by religion is negligible. You all do not have any right to be going around and stomping on people's beliefs.
But you all do it anyway., you all are th eones that are intellectually dishonest, not us.
And then you all shriek when someone, like me, rips that facade away and shows the truth for what it is- you all are just vain, serving absolutely no purpose whatsoever then sheer aggravation of society. You all are heroes, let me tell you.

[Skavau]

Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj

My uncle-in-law has been an atheist his whole life. My aunt, however, is a very devout Christian. Nothing gets him to really be a Christian despite that he goes to church and often plays the guitar there. Whenever religion is talked about, he is skeptical. He holds no values for Christianity. He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.

Okay.

See, some people are just stubborn. And he isn't a rocket scientist. In fact he is pretty old school, being about 65 years old. Science avails him not.

Wow.

Did you just do that? I'll put it in perspective for people:

Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj

He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian. See, some people are just stubborn.

About your own family as well, to boot.

So what about those people with more drive who claim to be so endowed with science and so willingly subject their selves to that of militant atheists?

Name me some current militant atheists.

There is nothing I am able to do that is going to bring them closer to religion. You all have already made your minds, and so long as your life is fine and giving, you all will remain that way.

Be that as it may, that people aren't interested does not mean they view themselves in opposition with you.

As such, you all take that and try to make it into something more. You all are not being persecuted.

I've never said that I was being persecuted.

Anything that has happened in your life that was ill gotten by religion is negligible. You all do not have any right to be going around and stomping on people's beliefs.

Who's beliefs have I been stomping on, pray tell? What even do you mean by "stomping on" in that context? If you're talking about the right to scrutinize or mock other people's religious beliefs I already have that right and without your permission or approval, thanks.

But you all do it anyway., you all are th eones that are intellectually dishonest, not us.
And then you all shriek when someone, like me, rips that facade away and shows the truth for what it is- you all are just vain, serving absolutely no purpose whatsoever then sheer aggravation of society. You all are heroes, let me tell you.

You haven't ripped any facade away. You've just been claiming to know all atheists and whilst doing so doing nothing but insulting atheists. You have not actually demonstrated anything other than your own bigotry.

[Granite]

He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.

I see: "You're in pain, so you better accept the faith." How is that not blackmail?

See, some people are just stubborn. And he isn't a rocket scientist. In fact he is pretty old school, being about 65 years old. Science avails him not.

He's set in his ways and has made up his mind. There's no crime in that. Question: have you ever once witnessed to him yourself, or have you never even bothered?

So what about those people with more drive who claim to be so endowed with science and so willingly subject their selves to that of militant atheists?

Ummmm...they're above your pay grade?

There is nothing I am able to do that is going to bring them closer to religion.

Wow. With this kind of faith, you must be able to move mountains. You strike me as a particularly hard-hearted snob, Sum.

You all have already made your minds, and so long as your life is fine and giving, you all will remain that way.

Or maybe you're just envious.

As such, you all take that and try to make it into something more. You all are not being persecuted.

You're not either, so don't bother trying to play that card.

You all do not have any right to be going around and stomping on people's beliefs.

Oh yes we do. That's one of the grand rights of this country: the right to vigorously disagree amongst ourselves. Grow a thicker skin or move some place where open discourse and disagreement isn't accepted.

You're a strutting, sad, angry little piece of work.

[Sum1sGruj]

Originally Posted by Granite

I see: "You're in pain, so you better accept the faith." How is that not blackmail?

Usually, when people go through such a life ordeal, they tend to be more willing toward religion. That is surely what happens to atheist women when they go to an abortion clinic., all of a sudden they want to say there is God to help with their guilt.

I was actually saving that last part for Stuu, as he put up a little statistic about religious women getting more abortions then atheists. It's amazing how people of such alleged intelligence just fail miserably at identifying these things. The notion in itself that the religious get more abortions then atheists makes no sense, but since it makes atheists look good, why not throw it out there anyway?

He's set in his ways and has made up his mind. There's no crime in that. Question: have you ever once witnessed to him yourself, or have you never even bothered?

Exactly, which makes people like you hopeless. Why should I pretend as if anything I say is actually going to enlighten you all? One cannot convince a hopeless denier.
My aim is to reveal your deception, not to have you all agree that you all are deceptive.

Wow. With this kind of faith, you must be able to move mountains. You strike me as a particularly hard-hearted snob, Sum.

In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Matthew 23:28

Or maybe you're just envious.

Envious of what? You all have no special privileges except maybe a slightly more dull death.

Oh yes we do. That's one of the grand rights of this country: the right to vigorously disagree amongst ourselves. Grow a thicker skin or move some place where open discourse and disagreement isn't accepted.

The law of man is perfect, I can go cause trouble because it's legal! Spoken like an ignorant fool. It's because of that notion that the world suffers so much hypocrisy and countless ordeals today's society.
*Blames it all on religion*

[alwight]

Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj

My uncle-in-law has been an atheist his whole life. My aunt, however, is a very devout Christian. Nothing gets him to really be a Christian despite that he goes to church and often plays the guitar there. Whenever religion is talked about, he is skeptical. He holds no values for Christianity. He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.

Well, if a nephew of mine was a fatuous, God bothering, bigoted zealot, I might be tempted to take a great deal of pleasure in winding him up something rotten, at every opportunity.

[Granite]

That is surely what happens to atheist women when they go to an abortion clinic., all of a sudden they want to say there is God to help with their guilt.

"Surely" happens? Anything to back that up (stats, etc.) other than your gut?

I was actually saving that last part for Stuu, as he put up a little statistic about religious women getting more abortions then atheists.

Well, that's true: the numbers bear it out. Not my problem you guys don't practice what you preach.

Which reminds me: have you ever witnessed to this uncle or yours, or do you simply not care to?

Exactly, which makes people like you hopeless.

Dead wrong. My life's full of hope.

Why should I pretend as if anything I say is actually going to enlighten you all? One cannot convince a hopeless denier.

So you decide who you deign to witness to and who you believe is simply not worth your time. You make the worst kind of Christian, Sum: the sort of person who'd rather someone like me go to hell. An armchair sadist, in other words.

Envious of what?

You seem to be a resentful soul by nature.

The law of man is perfect, I can go cause trouble because it's legal!

The only "trouble" I'm causing is with you, Sum, and the day I don't challenge and confront some pinheaded know-nothing like you is the day I'll step in front of a train. You whined that I don't have the right to "stomp" on religion, and with all due respect, I damn well do. So either grow up, put up, or shut up. Whining about your "rights" on an American bulletin board is asinine, absurd, puerile, and a complete waste of time.

[Sum1sGruj]

Originally Posted by Granite

"Surely" happens? Anything to back that up (stats, etc.) other than your gut?

I don't need to back up what should be easily grasped. Being Christian tends to make one more apt to heed Jesus teachings, whereas atheism produces no such moral inclination to keep an unwanted baby.
To say that more Christians get abortions then atheists is simply just stupid. That is why one should always be careful with statistics. Women go to these abortion clinics and are offered counseling. It is perfectly sound that a lot of them say they believe in God or have sudden inclination of such to balance their guilt.

Go ahead and say this is unfounded, or that this means nothing because there is no 'proof'. It only just shows how illogical atheists truly are and their standing is just a ridiculous masquerade. The fact of the matter is that what I have stated is the truth., it is the stats that are misleading.

So you decide who you deign to witness to and who you believe is simply not worth your time. You make the worst kind of Christian, Sum: the sort of person who'd rather someone like me go to hell. An armchair sadist, in other words.

I don't believe in Hell. It's origins are pagan and leaked into Christianity via the Dark Ages. Atheists get what they expect and simply die. Twice actually. There is still a judgement in order after all.

[Granite]

I don't need to back up what should be easily grasped.

In my opinion it's easy to think most people shouldn't be religious. When you make a sweeping and extraordinary comment, either back it up, or don't make the mistake again.

To say that more Christians get abortions then atheists is simply just stupid.

And now you're acting like a fifth grader. Statistics say otherwise, Sam, whether you like it or not. Deal with the reality: you people don't practice what you preach.

Have you ever witnessed to your uncle or are you so intimidated or so snobbish that you haven't bothered? You seem remarkably unconcerned with whoever you deem unworthy of your attention. Pharisee.

[Sum1sGruj]

Originally Posted by Granite

In my opinion it's easy to think most people shouldn't be religious. When you make a sweeping and extraordinary comment, either back it up, or don't make the mistake again.



And now you're acting like a fifth grader. Statistics say otherwise, Sam, whether you like it or not. Deal with the reality: you people don't practice what you preach.

Have you ever witnessed to your uncle or are you so intimidated or so snobbish that you haven't bothered? You seem remarkably unconcerned with whoever you deem unworthy of your attention. Pharisee.

Perpetual ignorance. That's really what prideful atheists are all about. Anyone who is ignorant enough to look at statistics and not look at the underlying reasons of what it reveals isn't really getting any real information out of them at all. Statistics only tell half of what is being observed.
If you want to ignore those things, then you are the one that is a fool. I like to actually dig in to underlying causes of which data tells.

There is nothing remarkable about what I stated in my last post. It is sound and easy reasoning, something that many atheists proverbially lack. I prefer Einstein's quote in which he stated that any fool can make something bigger or complex. That is precisely what you all do. I wonder what huge theory you have that makes your observation of the data more probable then mine. Because as far as I'm concerned, you atheists set yourselves up for these things and then tell others they know nothing of it when it when they correct your fraudulent notions.

[Neko]

Sum1sGruj

I must tell you to simply stop making such biased and sweeping assumptions about people. To think that you know atheists, or even how a majority of atheists think, is utterly absurd and in your case quite insulting and rude. Not only this but it shows how little you actually know about atheists. As someone who has spent a decent amount of time around a diversity of differing atheists, it is quite clear that the range of opinions is quite wide, and most other atheists I meet agree. In fact the only statement that someone can really make about atheists in general, and be accurate at the same time, is that they don't have a belief in any gods. That is the only criteria, and that is the only unifying idea. Every other opinion is quite diverse, and many atheists will rightfully get offended when people try to make bogus assumptions about them. I have found your posts to be simply too insulting for me to continue any sort of conversation with you, and so I won't waste any more of my time.