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January 27th, 2012, 06:49 AM
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To be doing His will is to be doing what He desires.

Man is not autonomous. What is meant by "free"?
If you are trying to be something you are not....you are not free, you are free when you are being what you are created to be.

If the child takes it into his head that HE is the head of the household he will very soon bring upon himself many sorrows and grief, chaos will reign. A fish is free when he is in water, that is his element, see how happily he swims along. Man is free when he is doing God's will, showing forth His glory, manifesting His manifold wisdom.

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January 27th, 2012, 12:41 PM
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I would really appreciate it if you would quit insulting me.
I'm made no attempt to insult you, Untillectual.

What I did was to OVER estimate your understanding of very simple English words and phrases as well as the various doctrinal topics being discussed.

I apologize for attempting to have an adult conversation with you. It won't happen again.

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January 27th, 2012, 12:42 PM
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Your altering and omitting part of my response makes it seem nonsensical, which is disingenous on your part. Shame!


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I altered nothing. Your posts are all still there for everyone to see, you idiot.




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January 27th, 2012, 05:46 PM
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I'm made no attempt to insult you, Untillectual.

What I did was to OVER estimate your understanding of very simple English words and phrases as well as the various doctrinal topics being discussed.

I apologize for attempting to have an adult conversation with you. It won't happen again.

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I am an adult, but I have a mental disability. I'm sorry if you were offended by my feeling insulted.

I feel you are too caught up on your learning to understand where I am coming from. I was hoping we could work toward understanding each other.

On my end this is still possible. My hope is that you will reconsider your rash conclusion that you should no longer talk to me because you are somehow superior.

English is not the native tongue of the Bible, and yet we find ways to express ourselves. Often these ways are different, but to me this is not the end but the just the beginning. I hope you can understand this.




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Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
   
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January 27th, 2012, 05:51 PM
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Your altering and omitting part of my response makes it seem nonsensical, which is disingenous on your part. Shame!


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Nang,

Knight (a/the forum administrator) has at least once instructed people on this forum to not copy the entire post we are responding to if it is long. Maybe this fact will help somehow.

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January 27th, 2012, 05:54 PM
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Your altering and omitting part of my response makes it seem nonsensical, which is disingenous on your part. Shame!


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Nang, I don't see any omissions or alterations to your post. Not trying to goad you or anything, just an observation.




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Freewill and Calvinism - January 27th, 2012, 06:13 PM
If freewill came before Calvinism, but both of these came after the Bible was written, does it matter which is "more correct"?

My thought is that we can understand the Bible better when we understand these are philosophical and theological points of view, rather than sacred scripture.




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January 27th, 2012, 08:50 PM
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Nang, I don't see any omissions or alterations to your post. Not trying to goad you or anything, just an observation.
The "omission" was Clete's words I was responding to.




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