Hard worker? What can YOU do to earn your salvation?
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"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord" Isaiah 1:18
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February 3rd, 2012, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by meshak
You cannot seperate faith and works. And the problime is that mainstreacm churches are not even showing godly works which Jesus commands to do.
I'm not. Saving faith comes before works, and works are just a reflection of one's faith.
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I don't play games whatsoever. You dismiss His word to spread your false gospel. That is the bottom line of mainstream doctrines.
You're quick to judge and stereotypical to boot. Just because you disagree with what someone believes does not mean they "dismiss His word" and "spread false gospel."
James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Your graphs are impressive but you must know that all civilian casualties are directly or indirectly caused by Bush's instigated reaction to 9-11.
Which was for not enough reason. So then all casualties are a result of the war we made with them.
Interestingly, the rhetoric about bringing 'democracy' is no longer touted
here. From the beginning only the Shiites were given power over the Sunnis.
I'm not. Saving faith comes before works, and works are just a reflection of one's faith.
You're quick to judge and stereotypical to boot. Just because you disagree with what someone believes does not mean they "dismiss His word" and "spread false gospel."
Is there any disagreement that the original Church was composed entirely of Torah observant Jews until Cornelius's conversion?
Is there any disagreement that the Messianic prophecies in the Tanakh ("OT") completely and clearly state that the Moshiach will bring Israel back to the Law away from deviance?
Well a hard working rider on the range may have a better sense of right and wrong and more common sense. Perhaps less false ego, meaning the need to rationalise mental baloney.
Then you have it right, one cannot build the stairway to heaven. No work is able to save your soul, for only being in Christ leads to salvation.
So many get this mixed up, partly because they misread James!
Then there is a part where men have made claims, which should have been avoided. It is really sad, when one in high cleric office, has no salvation, then believes it cannot be felt, but must be known by the human mind. Jesus did not confirm little children because they had great intellect, only an open heart.
Be humble , it is so hard for some to do, living in a world where thinking is highly valued. I can see where simple hard working persons may have some advantage, to like themselves for who they are, and being so, more apt to humble themselves to faith, rather than defensive thought?
Their faith was NOT yet perfected by love, when they had these armies, they had not entered the REST of God, as of yet.....once faith is perfected by love/new covenant that fulfills it, you cannot go back to across the river, lest ye drown..or turn to salt.
You have never made it to the other side, or you have, and then later left your first love. Love waxing cold, is all about leaving the new covenant ways, for to return to the old law system, that allowed for such.
Love perfected in the new covenant, does not allow for it.
So, you are yet living the way of fear, which is why you carry your big guns....bible in one hand, gun in another, you have one foot in the world, my friend.
Come out, before it is too late.
You have made some good points and I see you moving closer. If you would consider a sister in Christ? Faith comes first, it is what makes our hearts ready to embrace Christ and this leads to Grace.
You may love in a real way, sure, yet the greatest love comes after Grace. Kat
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"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord" Isaiah 1:18
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February 3rd, 2012, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by IP Man
Your graphs are impressive but you must know that all civilian casualties are directly or indirectly caused by Bush's instigated reaction to 9-11.
Get real. We are not responsible for Muslim suicide attacks against their own people, whatever their twisted reasons are. If a school kid fights back against a bully, is he then responsible for the bully getting angry?
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Is there any disagreement that the original Church was composed entirely of Torah observant Jews until Cornelius's conversion?
Is there any disagreement that the Messianic prophecies in the Tanakh ("OT") completely and clearly state that the Moshiach will bring Israel back to the Law away from deviance?
I suppose that depends on what you mean by Law. Certainly the first Christians came from among the Jewish people. They learned from Christ what the Law really was for - the intent and spirit behind it. The ceremonial laws have been fulfilled, and the laws which were already based on moral principles have been retained as the principles they were based on.
James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
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"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord" Isaiah 1:18
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February 3rd, 2012, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by meshak
It is very obvious, friend. God gave me discernment which or who are truthful or not.
Perhaps He did, but it's no good if you don't exercise it with wisdom, instead of knee-jerk reactions and prejudice.
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I repeat again, your fruit is showing vividly. Jesus says we know them by their fruit. I judge by your fruit like Jesus says.
You judge me because you disagree with something I said. You're not the first one we've seen on this board who considers all dissenters to be heretics.
Perhaps I'm being a too argumentative. If you have something you think I need to hear, speak on.
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what is your denomination?
I have none.
James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
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Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
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February 4th, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by vegascowboy
1. Why do we, the children of God, need salvation?
Because we are fallen, because we are sinful. Contrary to the heresy of TOL, living in sin while pretending that you are in Christ is not salvation, it is psychosis, and it exists in both secular and religious spheres alike.
The Bible is quite clear that there is a marriage covenant between God and us, and that our (constant) response is therefore necessary. One can label themselves "saved" all they like, but that voice unsurprisingly comes across as shrill.
"If a sheerly linguistic version of the gospel could be concocted, it would merely so be no longer the gospel. In the Lutheran Reformation’s understanding, which we believe in this matter to be correct, the sacraments make the inalienable externality of the gospel message and therefore are necessary to the authenticity of that message." (Christian Dogmatics [1984], II:302-303 as cited in Pontifications)
, it is so hard for some to do, living in a world where thinking is highly valued. I can see where simple hard working persons may have some advantage, to like themselves for who they are, and being so, more apt to humble themselves to faith, rather than defensive thought?
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~ J Vernon McGee Ro 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9, 10:13.
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