God's Great Free Gift of Salvation for All of Humanity
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You have two issues here. One, you are also ignoring the Scripture I posted. If Christ died for all sins, why are there some thrown into the lake of fire for their sins?
Two, you are assuming that a for a gift to be a gift It must be able to be accepted or rejected. That isn't true.
I am not ignoring anything. I an stating Scriptures myself, that show that Jesus died for ALL. There have also been many posted here that show not all will accept Him. That is Biblical.
As for a gift, that IS true. Something forced is NOT a gift, but an imposition. Something that cannot be had is also NOT a gift. You, sir, are mistaken.
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The important thing is the rhythm. Always have rhythm in your shaking. Now a Manhattan you shake to fox-trot time, a Bronx to two-step time, a dry martini you always shake to waltz time.
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February 23rd, 2012, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LadyGreenEyes
I am not ignoring anything. I an stating Scriptures myself, that show that Jesus died for ALL. There have also been many posted here that show not all will accept Him. That is Biblical.
However, not "accepting" Him (not a biblical term), would be sin, since there is a command to repent and believe. And He commands us to obey all He commanded. If He died for all sins, then what's left to punish in hell?
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As for a gift, that IS true. Something forced is NOT a gift, but an imposition. Something that cannot be had is also NOT a gift. You, sir, are mistaken.
If our greatest need is salvation, and as depraved individuals we don't see that, we won't seek salvation. Our pride (the same pride you have to say will cause us to refuse any gift) will not allow us to seek it. We are self-sufficient.
However, if God who loves us knows this, yet wants to save us anyway, changes our hearts to hearts of flesh, then we will seek Him. It's what we need to live. And at that point we will be glad to have been imposed upon, and we will accept what He gives (not offers).
I an stating Scriptures myself, that show that Jesus died for ALL
Do you believe in your heart that Jesus death in and of itself saved those He tasted Death for ? Heb 2:9 Yes or No..
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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February 23rd, 2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NickCharles
However, not "accepting" Him (not a biblical term), would be sin, since there is a command to repent and believe. And He commands us to obey all He commanded. If He died for all sins, then what's left to punish in hell?
If our greatest need is salvation, and as depraved individuals we don't see that, we won't seek salvation. Our pride (the same pride you have to say will cause us to refuse any gift) will not allow us to seek it. We are self-sufficient.
However, if God who loves us knows this, yet wants to save us anyway, changes our hearts to hearts of flesh, then we will seek Him. It's what we need to live. And at that point we will be glad to have been imposed upon, and we will accept what He gives (not offers).
God has already offered you eternal life through the work and person of Jesus Christ, By his life, death and resurrection he has already reconciled you to God the Father, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
There is nothing left to do, he has done it all.
He now offers salvation to you as a free gift, Ephesians 2:8.
A gift can only be accepted or refused, it cannot be earned or deserved.
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The important thing is the rhythm. Always have rhythm in your shaking. Now a Manhattan you shake to fox-trot time, a Bronx to two-step time, a dry martini you always shake to waltz time.
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February 23rd, 2012, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
God has already offered you eternal life through the work and person of Jesus Christ, By his life, death and resurrection he has already reconciled you to God the Father, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
There is nothing left to do, he has done it all.
agreed.
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He now offers salvation to you as a free gift, Ephesians 2:8.
Close. It's a gift, not an offer. Nowhere does it say it can be rejected. You are reading into the text something that's not there, especially in light of the previous verses.
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A gift can only be accepted or refused, it cannot be earned or deserved.
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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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February 23rd, 2012, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NickCharles
agreed.
Close. It's a gift, not an offer. Nowhere does it say it can be rejected. You are reading into the text something that's not there, especially in light of the previous verses.
Slogan/motto:
The important thing is the rhythm. Always have rhythm in your shaking. Now a Manhattan you shake to fox-trot time, a Bronx to two-step time, a dry martini you always shake to waltz time.
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February 23rd, 2012, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
The free gift of salvation cannot be rejected???
How about John 3:19?
Are you smoking something?
Does it make you feel more manly to be insulting?
The command can be disobeyed. The gift will not be rejected.
Are you smoking something, Jn 3:19 does not say anything about the Free Gift of Salvation being rejected ! One cannot reject a New Birth.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
However, not "accepting" Him (not a biblical term), would be sin, since there is a command to repent and believe. And He commands us to obey all He commanded. If He died for all sins, then what's left to punish in hell?
If our greatest need is salvation, and as depraved individuals we don't see that, we won't seek salvation. Our pride (the same pride you have to say will cause us to refuse any gift) will not allow us to seek it. We are self-sufficient.
However, if God who loves us knows this, yet wants to save us anyway, changes our hearts to hearts of flesh, then we will seek Him. It's what we need to live. And at that point we will be glad to have been imposed upon, and we will accept what He gives (not offers).
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Originally Posted by beloved57
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Do you believe in your heart that Jesus death in and of itself saved those He tasted Death for ? Heb 2:9 Yes or No..
Does either of you ever actually open a Bible? Or, is it just a case of hunting for verses to misinterpret?
Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Through FAITH, which one must CHOOSE. We choose faith, those that do, because someone shares with us the truth. This is not complicated, and pretending it is makes you look less than honest.
Slogan/motto:
The important thing is the rhythm. Always have rhythm in your shaking. Now a Manhattan you shake to fox-trot time, a Bronx to two-step time, a dry martini you always shake to waltz time.
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February 23rd, 2012, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyGreenEyes
Does either of you ever actually open a Bible? Or, is it just a case of hunting for verses to misinterpret?
Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Through FAITH, which one must CHOOSE. We choose faith, those that do, because someone shares with us the truth. This is not complicated, and pretending it is makes you look less than honest.
Does either of you ever actually open a Bible? Or, is it just a case of hunting for verses to misinterpret?
Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Through FAITH, which one must CHOOSE. We choose faith, those that do, because someone shares with us the truth. This is not complicated, and pretending it is makes you look less than honest.
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Originally Posted by NickCharles
Nothing about choice in Ephesians 2.
And why the insults?
Faith is a choice. Jesus didn't hog-tie the disciples,and beat them with whips to get them to follow Him; He called to them, and they came by choice. Some people chose not to follow Him at some points.
Through FAITH, which one must CHOOSE. We choose faith,
Thats a Lie one does not choose faith, however what you are saying is that one is saved by their choosing, thats works salvation, for in this case choosing is something man does ! So you teach salvation by what man does. Thats works and a rejection of Salvation by Grace !
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Slogan/motto:
The important thing is the rhythm. Always have rhythm in your shaking. Now a Manhattan you shake to fox-trot time, a Bronx to two-step time, a dry martini you always shake to waltz time.
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February 24th, 2012, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LadyGreenEyes
Faith is a choice. Jesus didn't hog-tie the disciples,and beat them with whips to get them to follow Him; He called to them, and they came by choice. Some people chose not to follow Him at some points.
No insults. One question, and one observation.
If faith is a choice in the way you present it, are you saying that we can believe anything that we choose to believe?
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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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February 24th, 2012, 08:05 AM
[quote=NickCharles;2977054]If faith is a choice in the way you present it, are you saying that we can believe anything that we choose to believe?[/QUOTE)
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The important thing is the rhythm. Always have rhythm in your shaking. Now a Manhattan you shake to fox-trot time, a Bronx to two-step time, a dry martini you always shake to waltz time.
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February 24th, 2012, 08:06 AM
[quote=Robert Pate;2977118]
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Originally Posted by NickCharles
If faith is a choice in the way you present it, are you saying that we can believe anything that we choose to believe?[/QUOTE)
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