Schools are Anti-Christian and pro-Muslim. THIS NEEDS TO END.
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February 25th, 2012, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Angel4Truth
Its very different now than when you were in school. I know of a school recently where all an elementary teacher did was post happy birthday Jesus on her class bulletin board before Christmas break and one atheist parent flipped out and demanded the school board get involved and the school was threatened by the ACLU - just for saying Happy Birthday Jesus.
Seeing as posting something like that serves no obvious non-religious purpose, it seems like the teacher is pretty clearly in the wrong.
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There is a double standard.
Did the teacher also post birthday wishes for Mohammed?
Eternal life is an easy promise to make and a hard one to fulfill.
Seeing as posting something like that serves no obvious non-religious purpose, it seems like the teacher is pretty clearly in the wrong.
Its elementary school in a small town where the vast majority of people celebrate Christmas, it was at Christmas time.
You know that holiday that federal employees and others enjoy getting time off for which is the only federally recognized religious holiday, which in its enactment specifically states that its purpose is to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.
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Did the teacher also post birthday wishes for Mohammed?
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February 25th, 2012, 01:41 AM
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Its elementary school in a small town where the vast majority of people celebrate Christmas, it was at Christmas time.
That's true of most communities in the United States, and it only makes it more important to look after the rights of the religious minorities, who may not wish to have their children proselytized in public schools.
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You know that holiday that federal employees and others enjoy getting time off for which is the only federally recognized religious holiday,
Because the Supreme Court has found a way to apply the Lemon Test that allows it. And the decision was 5-4. And it also didn't allow the government to sponsor displays specifically for one religion.
Read the entire page of the link you posted. One of the cases there gives the wording and that is what was being objected to, that its purpose was for the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.
Its been that way since it was enacted, and its never been overturned.
I was thinking more at Mohammed's birthday. But I think we both know she did no such thing.
Doesnt matter, no law was violated, to celebrate the birth of Christ is no more establishment of religion than the celebration of the birth of Martin luther king, which is also a federal holiday.
There would only be an issue if the public school said Happy Birthday God.
Anyway though thanks for making my point, you object to even saying happy birthday jesus and so does the aclu, yet a school can sing there is no truth but allah, which is a phrase establishing a religion, and there is no big deal for you or the aclu.
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February 25th, 2012, 02:32 AM
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Read the entire page of the link you posted. One of the cases there gives the wording and that is what was being objected to, that its purpose was for the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.
If you actually found it, feel free to quote it and name it specifically. The court cases were much later than the original enactment, and it certainly isn't anywhere in the law.
If you actually found it, feel free to quote it and name it specifically. The court cases were much later than the original enactment, and it certainly isn't anywhere in the law.
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February 25th, 2012, 02:49 AM
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Doesnt matter, no law was violated, to celebrate the birth of Christ is no more establishment of religion than the celebration of the birth of Martin luther king, which is also a federal holiday.
If you read the court cases I linked to, you'll note that the courts consistently reject attempts to exclusively support Christianity or any other religion.
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There would only be an issue if the public school said Happy Birthday God.
That's so wrong, I don't even know where to begin with it. The problem is religion. Jesus is a part of the Christian religion, and therefore just as much of a problem as anything else.
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Anyway though thanks for making my point, you object to even saying happy birthday jesus and so does the aclu, yet a school can sing there is no truth but allah, which is a phrase establishing a religion, and there is no big deal for you or the aclu.
Well, I don't support the singing of religious songs of any sort in public schools. But, it is generally accepted. The courts have ruled that a religious symbol among other secular and religious symbols can be construed as a secular display, so unless the choir is specifically endorsing Islam, as opposed to singing a song for its artistic value, this is probably acceptable. A display wishing Jesus happy birthday stands little chance of passing the Lemon Test, which is the actual standard that the Supreme Court uses.
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February 25th, 2012, 02:50 AM
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Read your own link. All of it. You posted it, so read it.
Why? Just because you want to waste my time? I've skimmed the whole thing, and saw nothing like it, so I am thinking you're either lying or delusional.
Eternal life is an easy promise to make and a hard one to fulfill.
Why? Just because you want to waste my time? I've skimmed the whole thing, and saw nothing like it, so I am thinking you're either lying or delusional.
Say what you like, anyone here can read your own link, too bad you didnt. Its not up to me to cite anything from what YOU posted anyway, im sorry you are too lazy to read it all.
Islam will be taking over the world by mid-21st century. Some estimates are stating that by 2020-2030 you will be seeing Muslims prime ministers in Europe. It will start with Europe, and when that happens the Western powers will be sharply reducing their anti-Muslim propaganda.
The United States will be the last nation to be overtaken by Muslim populations as the Mexican immigration is actually contributing to the Christian populace. The world is mostly a democratic one, and will no doubt find itself getting influenced by indoctrinated Muslims. In a democratic nation, all it takes is a physical majority to influence national policy.
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February 25th, 2012, 03:02 AM
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Say what you like, anyone here can read your own link, too bad you didnt.
Ok, but you were making a point to me, so I would think you'd have an interest in actually making it. I'm quite willing to admit that I was wrong if you can demonstrate that I am, but not until then. Why are you so evasive?
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Its not up to me to cite anything from what YOU posted anyway, im sorry you are too lazy to read it all.
You also don't have any obligation to try to make your point. But the fact that you're unwilling to even point to where I should look indicates to me that you don't really know, probably because it isn't really there.
And for the record, it was your claim originally, offered with absolutely no citation. And then you decided that my article somehow supported your contention, despite being completely unwilling to lay out how.
Eternal life is an easy promise to make and a hard one to fulfill.
Ok, but you were making a point to me, so I would think you'd have an interest in actually making it. I'm quite willing to admit that I was wrong if you can demonstrate that I am, but not until then. Why are you so evasive?
You also don't have any obligation to try to make your point. But the fact that you're unwilling to even point to where I should look indicates to me that you don't really know, probably because it isn't really there.
And for the record, it was your claim originally, offered with absolutely no citation. And then you decided that my article somehow supported your contention, despite being completely unwilling to lay out how.
You posted a link to counter what i said while also asking where you can find what i said, when your own link says what i said.
Seeing as posting something like that serves no obvious non-religious purpose, it seems like the teacher is pretty clearly in the wrong.
I bet if they put happy Hanukkah on there and someone complained, you'd pull out the race card, wouldn't you rexunae? I bet you're the kind of guy that aims at the majority because the atheist notion is otherwise vain. Has little to do with religion itself. The atheist notion is vain. Atheist=troublemaker.
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