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March 14th, 2012, 04:34 PM
"KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The American soldier accused of shooting 16 Afghan villagers in a pre-dawn killing spree was flown out of Afghanistan on Wednesday to an undisclosed location, even as many Afghans called for him to face justice in their country.
Afghan government officials did not immediately respond to calls for comment on the late-night announcement. The U.S. military said the transfer did not preclude the possibility of trying the case in Afghanistan, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has said the soldier could receive capital punishment if convicted.
Many fear a misstep by the U.S. military in handling the case could ignite a firestorm in Afghanistan that would shatter already tense relations between the two countries. The alliance appeared near the breaking point last month when the burning of Qurans in a garbage pit at a U.S. base sparked protests and retaliatory attacks that killed more than 30 people, including six U.S. soldiers.
In recent days the two nations made headway toward an agreement governing a long-term American presence here, but the massacre in Kandahar province on Sunday has called all such negotiations into question.
Afghan lawmakers have demanded that the soldier be publicly tried in Afghanistan to show that he was being brought to justice, calling on President Hamid Karzai to suspend all talks with the U.S. until that happens." Story
US trial there? Or trial by Ge 16:12 dirty yak? De 16:20, Isa 56:1
You can understand the Afghan's anger here, and their demands are somewhat justified from their perspective.
Though I have little sympathy for the murderer, there's a better chance of him getting a fair trial in a US military court marshal than what he would face in an Afghan court.
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How many times has this man been deployed? What are the circumstances surrounding this incident?
Many of these men have been deployed more than three times, it is understandable that one could snap. It is time to bring our boys home and let these people deal with their own internal strife, it is no more of a vacuum now than it was before we came.
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"KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The American soldier accused of shooting 16 Afghan villagers in a pre-dawn killing spree was flown out of Afghanistan on Wednesday to an undisclosed location, even as many Afghans called for him to face justice in their country.
Afghan government officials did not immediately respond to calls for comment on the late-night announcement. The U.S. military said the transfer did not preclude the possibility of trying the case in Afghanistan, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has said the soldier could receive capital punishment if convicted.
Many fear a misstep by the U.S. military in handling the case could ignite a firestorm in Afghanistan that would shatter already tense relations between the two countries. The alliance appeared near the breaking point last month when the burning of Qurans in a garbage pit at a U.S. base sparked protests and retaliatory attacks that killed more than 30 people, including six U.S. soldiers.
In recent days the two nations made headway toward an agreement governing a long-term American presence here, but the massacre in Kandahar province on Sunday has called all such negotiations into question.
Afghan lawmakers have demanded that the soldier be publicly tried in Afghanistan to show that he was being brought to justice, calling on President Hamid Karzai to suspend all talks with the U.S. until that happens." Story
US trial there? Or trial by Ge 16:12 dirty yak? De 16:20, Isa 56:1
Out of curiosity, what would you say if an Afghan nutter soldier went on a shooting spree killing 30 people here in the US? Where would you think he should be put on trial?
Also, you call Afghans "dirty yaks?"
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yup, bring these kids home. Look, what the solider did was wrong, but yes, he had snapped probably due to all the stress of fighting a war with such jagged and disoriented battle-lines if I was to make a premature guess. It almost seems like they are sending soldiers to try and be diplomats and nation-builders rather than soldiers solely for fighting in a war. Mostly because it's not a real war anyway - and I just think we definitely have no business there.
So, bring this solider back for the trial here instead - otherwise he might be subject to a variety of styles of execution one should not even wish to think about - who knows what could happen to him over there. I had seen footage of it, and I don't want to think about it.
yup, bring these kids home. Look, what the solider did was wrong, but yes, he had snapped probably due to all the stress of fighting a war with such jagged and disoriented battle-lines if I was to make a premature guess. It almost seems like they are sending soldiers to try and be diplomats and nation-builders rather than soldiers solely for fighting in a war. Mostly because it's not a real war anyway.
So, bring this solider back for the trial here instead - otherwise he might be subject to a variety of styles of execution one should not even wish to think about - who knows what could happen to him over there. I had seen footage of it, and I don't want to think about it.
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March 14th, 2012, 08:10 PM
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How many times has this man been deployed? What are the circumstances surrounding this incident?
Many of these men have been deployed more than three times, it is understandable that one could snap. It is time to bring our boys home and let these people deal with their own internal strife, it is no more of a vacuum now than it was before we came.
It is understandable?
I hate to break it to the peeps, but your chances of being killed or wounded in a terrorist incident are so close to zero that they might as well be zero. Worry far more about slipping in the tub.
"...[A]nd their demands are somewhat justified from their perspective. Though I have little sympathy for the murderer, there's a better chance of him getting a fair trial in a US military court marshal than what he would face in an Afghan court."
If you encouraged your son or daughter to enlist in the military, what would you think of them being subjected to a backward, wicked culture for trial one day? Pr 19:28, Mic 3:9, Isa 59:4, Isa 59:14, Lk 11:42, Job 12:4; Am 5:12. The perversion of justice is bad enough in our country. We don't subject our men to trial by dirty yak there (Ge 16:12).
Of course. It's horrible.
If you encouraged your son or daughter to enlist in the military, what would you think of them being subjected to a backward, wicked culture for trial one day? Pr 19:28, Mic 3:9, Isa 59:4, Isa 59:14, Lk 11:42, Job 12:4; Am 5:12. The perversion of justice is bad enough in our country. We don't subject our men to trial by dirty yak there (Ge 16:12).
well it is a good thing he would be tried by Afghan people rather than animals then
well it is a good thing he would be tried by Afghan people rather than animals then
You trust their (Ge 16:12) system of justice (Pr 19:28, Mic 3:9, Isa 59:4, Isa 59:14, Lk 11:42, Job 12:4; Am 5:12) over our own (just a system [Enyart])?
It would be just, and within normal bounds to bust him to private, kick him out, and turn him over. Guess what to those that don't know. We have done it before. Islam will execute him? Yeah, and? He commited murder.
...Islam will execute him? Yeah, and? He commited murder.
We will probably do the same (Ge 9:5,6; Ex 21:12; Nu 35:16). Who should try him? You're already ready to submit to the One World Government & Religion? Ge 11:3-4, Re 13:17
I think the soldier should be turned over. He committed an act of terrorism no different than the WTC attack. If we are going to be fair and just, we should turn our terrorists over to the government of the country they committed the terrorist act against. If we are unwilling to do that then we should send all the suspected terrorists we have in holding back to their home countries to face trial there.
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March 15th, 2012, 10:41 AM
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yup, bring these kids home.
I agree, it's time to bring them home....but, they are not kids, they are grown men trained to do a job.
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Look, what the solider did was wrong, but,
There is no "but" when killing women and children in their beds!
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he had snapped
That's no excuse for what he did!
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It almost seems like they are sending soldiers to try and be diplomats and nation-builders rather than soldiers solely for fighting in a war.
A military mans role has been changing for many years, and it is needed, by winning the people over it does reduce our casualty rate.
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Mostly because it's not a real war anyway
I keep hearing people say ridiculous things like this, could you please give me your idea of what a real war is?
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and I just think we definitely have no business there.
We each have a right to our own opinion.
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So, bring this solider back for the trial here instead - otherwise he might be subject to a variety of styles of execution one should not even wish to think about - who knows what could happen to him over there. I had seen footage of it, and I don't want to think about it.
I agree, court martial the man, find him guilty of murder, discharge him and return him to Afghanistan for punishment!
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It would be just, and within normal bounds to bust him to private, kick him out, and turn him over. Guess what to those that don't know. We have done it before. Islam will execute him? Yeah, and? He committed murder.
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Ge 16:12 dirty yak? De 16:20, Isa 56:1
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