How to attack and destroy the Old Testament in ten easy steps
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March 19th, 2012, 07:44 AM
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Last time I checked, the Hebrew could mean voices.
Last time I checked, the sound of a "voice" isn't language either.
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March 19th, 2012, 07:45 AM
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You sure do like to provoke..
I try to "provoke" interaction. You were/ARE being snarky.
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March 19th, 2012, 07:47 AM
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Is this proof that you don't worship YHWH?
Is this proof you don't worship Zeus, Oudin, Apollo, Venus, Aries, etc.?
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March 19th, 2012, 07:52 AM
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it's proof of idolatry.
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any single persons "undeniable evidence" is creating a God to suite their own imagination, criteria.
I suppose, then, that your "proof of idolatry" above is "undeniable" .
Nothing says hypocrite like contradicting one's self within two sentences .
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it's no wonder why he sides with the "vast majority" with interpretation to throw out the Commandments...the wide road.
It must be jeremy's way or the highway . . . .
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March 19th, 2012, 09:19 AM
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you got the highway part right, that is the wide road, Matthew 7:13
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did you miss that memo?
"The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."
Last time I checked, the Hebrew could mean voices.
all allegories and abstract interpretations aside, speaking, voice and words also can mean speaking/voice and words....
Moses recalls exactly what happened, who said what and to whom.
Deuteronomy 9:10
“And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spoke with youin the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.”
Deuteronomy 4
12 Then the LORD spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice. He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow andthen wrote them on two stone tablets.
Unless Moses had a mouse in his pocket, the "you" are the people whom heard His voice, heard the sound of his words, and heard what he spoke out of the mist.
People who read these words and decide to take the wide path of the "vast majority" will be without excuse that fine day.
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March 19th, 2012, 09:52 AM
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all allegories and abstract interpretations aside, speaking, voice and words also can mean speaking/voice and words....
Moses recalls exactly what happened, who said what and to whom.
Deuteronomy 9:10
“And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spoke with youin the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.”
Deuteronomy 4
12 Then the LORD spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice. He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow andthen wrote them on two stone tablets.
Unless Moses had a mouse in his pocket, the "you" are the people whom heard His voice, heard the sound of his words, and heard what he spoke out of the mist.
Quite often in the OT (and the bible in general) when someone spoke for someone, as Moses often did for his deity, it was considered the same as if the diety was speaking him/her/its self. Deuteronomy 9/10 describes that the "voice" of the deity sounded like thunder/lightning (in other words, NOISE) and NOT language.
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March 19th, 2012, 09:58 AM
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This is a Jeremysdemo and Jeremysdemo conversation . . .
A sure sign of insanity is when you talk to yourself jeremy . . . especially in writing.
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March 19th, 2012, 10:33 AM
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Jeremy and Jonah, was that too complex for you to grasp?
To my knowledge, clarity has never been your strong suit .
Neither has been civility . . . except in your own mind .
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don't let the "responding to his statement" with his name in the quote throw you off...
See above under "clarity" .
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I hope you read and follow Torah better than you've demonstrated here.
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