WRONG ... the title of *this* thread is "The tie between homosexuality and abortion". No mention of bisexuality whatsoever.
You might want to take your argument up with Mary Contrary, as well as the people that wrote the article and did the study that I presented in earlier posts.
Let me repeat what Mary wrote from her earlier post:
"This is why no reputable researcher ever defines a homosexual the way you do here. Because if a "true homosexual" were one who never experiences or acts upon sexual desire for the opposite gender, the number of "true homosexuals" would be so low there'd be no point researching them. The percentage of "true homosexuals", as you define them here, among "homosexuals" as everyone else understands the term, is roughly that of homosexuals among the population itself. It's somewhere south of a tenth of a percent of the population (males), I believe. Females are a lot more lower than that. In fact, I don't think anyone's even able to put a number to it, even approximately."
You need to go on a crusade Rusha. You need to get out there and tell homosexuals to act more like homsexuals!
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"In a large random sample (5) 88% of women currently claiming lesbian attraction and 73% of men claiming to currently enjoy homosexual sex, said that they had been sexually aroused by the opposite sex,
85% of these "lesbians" and 54% of these "homosexuals" reported sexual relations with someone of the opposite sex in adulthood,
67% of lesbians and 54% of homosexuals reported current sexual attraction to the opposite sex, and
82% of lesbians and 66% of homosexuals reported having been in love with a member of the opposite sex.
Homosexuals experiment. They feel some normal impulses. Most have been sexually aroused by, had sexual relations with, and even fallen in love with someone of the opposite sex.
Nationwide random samples (11) of 904 men were asked about their sex lives since age 21, and more specifically, in the last year. As the figure reveals, 1.3% reported sex with men in the past year and 5.2% at some time in adulthood. Less than 1% of men had only had sex with men during their lives. And 6 of every 7 who had had sex with men, also reported sex with women." http://www.biblebelievers.com/Cameron3.html
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March 26th, 2012, 08:33 AM
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Well then that is not homosexuality. The thread title says homosexuality which very obviously cannot lead to abortions. If homosexuals also have sex with women then what is your definition of someone who is bisexual? Obviously sexuality is extremely complex and people's sexuality does change over time. But the only link between homosexuality and abortion is that homosexuality cannot lead to abortion.
Glancing over the thread it would seem aCW's argument is that homosexuals are promiscuous and/or just plain get (or get someone) pregnant a lot. And so, if homosexuality leads to promiscuity, or just a higher likelihood of getting (or getting someone) pregnant, and a higher likelihood then of choosing to have an abortion, then it can indeed lead to abortion.
You can keep arguing that two homosexuals aren't going to get each other pregnant or you can argue the point.
Glancing over the thread it would seem aCW's argument is that homosexuals are promiscuous and/or just plain get (or get someone) pregnant a lot. And so, if homosexuality leads to promiscuity, or just a higher likelihood of getting (or getting someone) pregnant, and a higher likelihood then of choosing to have an abortion, then it can indeed lead to abortion.
You can keep arguing that two homosexuals aren't going to get each other pregnant or you can argue the point.
I was arguing that point because that was the part I disagreed with. With the rest of his argument he has pretty solid data to support it.
I know when I was at school we had pretty good standard of sex education which helped avoid a lot of these problems. I think we need to stress to homosexuals and bisexuals that contraception is very important for them as well.
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March 26th, 2012, 10:03 AM
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I was arguing that point because that was the part I disagreed with. With the rest of his argument he has pretty solid data to support it.
I know when I was at school we had pretty good standard of sex education which helped avoid a lot of these problems. I think we need to stress to homosexuals and bisexuals that contraception is very important for them as well.
I think it's less a question of awareness as it is not caring. I'm sure very, very few of these people are unaware that sex between men and women can often result in pregnancy or STD's. Telling them what they already know will accomplish...what?
Unless you mean that you can make them care when you say "education".
I think it's less a question of awareness as it is not caring. I'm sure very, very few of these people are unaware that sex between men and women can often result in pregnancy or STD's. Telling them what they already know will accomplish...what?
Unless you mean that you can make them care when you say "education".
well we can't make them care obviously since, they think for themselves. However I think there is an attitude of 'well it won't happen to me'. People take the risk but don't really think about the consequences
It's a bit like how people who smoke KNOW that smoking is bad for them but they do it anyway. I think if we encourage people to think about the consequences of not using condoms then hopefully people will start using contraception more and there will be less abortions.
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March 26th, 2012, 10:27 AM
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well we can't make them care obviously since, they think for themselves. However I think there is an attitude of 'well it won't happen to me'. People take the risk but don't really think about the consequences
It's a bit like how people who smoke KNOW that smoking is bad for them but they do it anyway. I think if we encourage people to think about the consequences of not using condoms then hopefully people will start using contraception more and there will be less abortions.
Well, here's where I'll start derailing the thread if I continue arguing with you.
I just plain don't think education works with sex with the folks that advocate for education assume it does. It does work, I'll grant you that. Just not much and not at all against particular mentalities. Let's say, for example, it's in some ways an act of self-destruction. Doing something, in part, because it's dangerous or unhealthy, whether that's acknowledged or not. In such a case, the effect of education on the dangers isn't going to accomplish a whole lot.
Using your smoking example, education on the dangers of smoking isn't going to make a dent with someone who's self-destructive.
(Bear in mind self-destruction isn't necessarily an act of suicide, please! Don't confuse those two.)
So is homosexuality an act of self-destruction? I submit that it is for the vast majority who practice it. For them education on the dangers of unprotected sex, heterosexually or homosexually, isn't going to accomplish much. You'd first have to confront their self-destructive tendencies before you can hope that pointing out this or that as self-destructive is going to matter to them especially. Makes sense?
Further, if perversity is a factor here, which I submit that it is wherever sexuality is self-destructive, you'll be confronted with sexual perversity not lending itself very well at all to self-control in the first place.
So you've got a really, really long roe to hoe here. Essentially, it's a far more complicated issue than you seem to assume.
Well, here's where I'll start derailing the thread if I continue arguing with you.
I just plain don't think education works with sex with the folks that advocate for education assume it does. It does work, I'll grant you that. Just not much and not at all against particular mentalities. Let's say, for example, it's in some ways an act of self-destruction. Doing something, in part, because it's dangerous or unhealthy, whether that's acknowledged or not. In such a case, the effect of education on the dangers isn't going to accomplish a whole lot.
Using your smoking example, education on the dangers of smoking isn't going to make a dent with someone who's self-destructive.
(Bear in mind self-destruction isn't necessarily an act of suicide, please! Don't confuse those two.)
So is homosexuality an act of self-destruction? I submit that it is for the vast majority to practice it. For them education on the dangers of unprotected sex, heterosexually or homosexually, isn't going to accomplish much. You'd first have to confront their self-destructive tendencies before you can hope that pointing out this or that as self-destructive is going to matter to them especially. Make sense?
Yeah a lot of that makes sense. Promiscuity, just like alcohol abuse and drug abuse can sometimes, but not always. be an act of self destruction or a coping method for people who are depressed.
However I think there are a lot of people for whom homosexuality is not due to self destruction or depression at all. For some people it does occur from depression and I've had that happen to friends. But I have many homosexual friends for whom homosexuality is not an act of self destruction at all. They are very happy in their relationships with people of the same sex.
so no, education is not a be all and end all cure, it won't work on people for whom the homosexuality is merely a symptom of a problem. But for people whose homosexuality is not linked to self destruction it will help. Using the smoking example again, here in Britain the NHS has put a lot of money into education and awareness on the dangers of smoking and it has worked in reducing the number of people who smoke, even though it won't work on everybody
Glancing over the thread it would seem aCW's argument is that homosexuals are promiscuous and/or just plain get (or get someone) pregnant a lot. And so, if homosexuality leads to promiscuity, or just a higher likelihood of getting (or getting someone) pregnant, and a higher likelihood then of choosing to have an abortion, then it can indeed lead to abortion.
You can keep arguing that two homosexuals aren't going to get each other pregnant or you can argue the point.
Sounds to me like homosexuality is a form of promiscuity that is very dysfunctional. It makes sense since most homosexuals are promiscuous.
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March 26th, 2012, 11:39 AM
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Sounds to me like homosexuality is a form of promiscuity that is very dysfunctional. It makes sense since most homosexuals are promiscuous.
Well, I don't quite think so. Homosexuality is certainly a sexual orientation, meaning that homosexuals typically are attracted to their own gender to begin with. The interesting point is why in the world this results in such promiscuity and perversity. For gay males, at least, the promiscuity thing makes sense. That's how men are wired. But for homosexuals overall there are lots and lots of behaviors that just don't make sense if it's as normal and healthy an orientation as heterosexuality. Hence the pro-homo constant, rather crazy, insistence that it's the result of stigma. They can't come up with any other explanation for it.
Well, I don't quite think so. Homosexuality is certainly a sexual orientation, meaning that homosexuals typically are attracted to their own gender to begin with. The interesting point is why in the world this results in such promiscuity and perversity. For gay males, at least, the promiscuity thing makes sense. That's how men are wired. But for homosexuals overall there are lots and lots of behaviors that just don't make sense if it's as normal and healthy an orientation as heterosexuality. Hence the pro-homo constant, rather crazy, insistence that it's the result of stigma. They can't come up with any other explanation for it.
I wouldn't say it was just men. Women, whether hetrosexual, bisexual or homosexual can be pretty promiscuous too. I see promiscuity as much more dependent on people's personality and looks rather than their gender or sexual orientation
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March 26th, 2012, 11:49 AM
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I wouldn't say it was just men. Women, whether hetrosexual, bisexual or homosexual can be pretty promiscuous too. I see promiscuity as much more dependent on people's personality and looks rather than their gender or sexual orientation
I don't mean to imply otherwise, just saying that how much more promiscuous gay males are in comparison to lesbians makes sense, considering the difference between men and women when it comes to sex.
It kinda balances out though, as one might expect, if you look at how vastly much more common emotional dependency and abusive relationships are among lesbians in comparison to gay males.
It kinda balances out though, as one might expect, if you look at how vastly much more common emotional dependency and abusive relationships are among lesbians in comparison to gay males.
This has to do with how women are wired. Most women are more emotional then men. Get two emotional individuals together and you get trouble. I can't see how a woman would want another woman as a mate A rock solid man makes more sense.
Homosexuality, I posit is not only a sin, but it becomes an addiction and dysfunction. Not all sins are equal and the worse sins are destructive to others or to self.
I used to live in California and there were a lot of perverts out there. All of them were dysfunctional people, not only sexually but in other areas of their lives. In the case of the women that I knew, they turned the sinful lifestyle because of a history of abuse. Homosexuals are people that are broken in one way or another. They are not healthy and normal. There may be a desire buried down deep to be healthy and normal.
I have been through health science classes and studied the subject of human sexuality from a neutral scientific perspective. This was before the homosexual agenda started to pollute the curriculum. I can say that there is no way that homosexuality is healthy. Homosexuals miss out on the benefits of a normal healthy relationship that a husband and wife enjoy. Perhaps in trying to fill this void, homosexual will experiment, conceive then abort their offspring in some instances.
The link between Homosexuality and abortion isn't so much between the individual himself and the abortion clinic--but the link exist more because most homosexuals are pro-abortion. This is due to their lack of a moral compass. They have already rejected God's principles in their own personal lives. The majority of people who advocate homosexuality also advocate abortion.
I don't mean to imply otherwise, just saying that how much more promiscuous gay males are in comparison to lesbians makes sense, considering the difference between men and women when it comes to sex.
It kinda balances out though, as one might expect, if you look at how vastly much more common emotional dependency and abusive relationships are among lesbians in comparison to gay males.
do we have any statistics on that? I'd be interested to see them. Obviously there are differences between the sexes but from what I've seen gay and lesbian couples usually end up dealing with the same relationship problems as everyone else does.
do we have any statistics on that? I'd be interested to see them. Obviously there are differences between the sexes but from what I've seen gay and lesbian couples usually end up dealing with the same relationship problems as everyone else does.
And while its' rare to find a pro homosexual article that will admit that sexual promiscuity is a problem inside their so-called "community",
here's one:
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