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Originally Posted by Town Heretic

I did if you understand that most homicides are crimes of passion and that crimes of passion are, by definition, irrational acts. Irrational acts are not impacted by rational laws. They aren't cost/benefit analysis.

God says otherwise.

And this is not evidence. It's just your opinion. You have no way to gain evidence for your idea that a swift and painful execution would not be a deterrent. To gain such evidence, you would have to see the conditions I am talking about installed.

Rather, you're being willfully obtuse on the point, which is your prerogative in opinion.

Obtuse? Not really. You have an opinion and I'm asking for evidence. You continue to present your opinion as if it is evidence. I don't think it obtuse to ask you to respond properly.

You haven't sustained any assertion with support and on this point so, as between us, I have the greater authority, knowing the law, the particular system and having the associated experience of that system. And I've given you more than my feeling on the matter.

The assertion is that God installed the death penalty with wisdom in that it would properly punish and act as a deterrent. I use this fact to support a return to a similar process of a swift and painful justice system. The evidence is not available for the differences in data points between the two systems. Thus we are left with your opinion against mine.

And, yes, you have more invested into man's justice system.

You mean his standard for the Jews of that day, with their limitations and particular proclivities. They also lived by laws we don't observe. Your reckoning is just another way of expressing an opinion, not a fact. If you want to place us under the law of Leviticus, by way of, you're going to have to make the case why and distinguish why we then don't take their part whole hog, so to speak.You mean the standard given to a particular people. God's standard within the context of the Jewish life. Do you adopt all of that? If not, why not and why the distinction?

Simple. Read up on what laws God repealed and what laws were not. For example, God explicitly removed the prohibition on eating unclean animals. God never repealed the death penalty. Nor did He ever make a distinction between murderers who consider their crime for a long time or short as you do.

You say that. But that's just you restating your opinion. I think God gave a practical, just way of dealing with a problem of moral conduct pre Christ. I also think he allowed for slavery. I don't believe that institution is Christian. It was Jewish. It was of its day and within that provided a moral context.

Oh, you want to talk about slavery now?

You missed the sarcasm then. They failed the law. People aren't made better by law.

That's not entirely correct.

People do fail according to the law. But they will fail less according to God's laws than they will if the law spirals downward with them.

We have a history of societies laying claim to that. They were soon corrupted and immoral failures. That's part of what became of our nation and its founding laws.

And thus... what?

I've given you a clear answer.

Was your clear answer "Yes" or "No"?