[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

The regeneration is linked to the Holy Ghost which is the Spirit of Jesus.

More precisely the regeneration relates to the Spirit of Jesus which God sent into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).

This is something which was offered immediately after Jesus physically left those precincts (re. John: 16 verses: 7 & 13). It was to be picked up immediately . . . . in the manner that Paul picked it up. It does seem to be something that happens to you before you die. It does not seem related to after one is resurrected, per say. Except if resurrected means resurrected from being spiritually dead and therefore now awakened to one's own heart or spirit where in the Spirit of Jesus was sent.

Those who follow Jesus in the regeneration are those who discern the Spirit of Jesus within their hearts and are led into all their works by precisely what this Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do (re. Romans: 8 verses: 26 & 27).

At that point Peter was not following Jesus in the regeneration. At that point, Peter was simply following Jesus in the physical. Seems that Peter never followed Jesus in the regeneration. Peter continued to follow Jesus in the flesh (i.e. the physical), even after Jesus physically left those precincts. However Paul came to have communion with and know, Jesus in the regeneration. Paul also followed Jesus in the regeneration.

This means that Peter would not also sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel (re. Matthew 19:27).

Titus 3:5 is talking about how one is justified by Grace and achieve eternal life (i.e. salvation and deliverance), in one current life. (re. Titus: 3 verse: 7).

There will come a day when Jesus will judge all.

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.

So then, when is the regeneration? It's not about following Jesus in the regeneration in order to be saved. If this verse is related to what we are saying when we talk about the regeneration by the verse that you mentioned, then by then it will be too late.

[Untellectual]

Also, do you believe Peter changed to follow Christ?

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

There will come a day when Jesus will judge all.

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.

So then, when is the regeneration? It's not about following Jesus in the regeneration in order to be saved. If this verse is related to what we are saying when we talk about the regeneration by the verse that you mentioned, then by then it will be too late.

Why are you linking judgment with regeneration?

There will come a day when the wisdom of the world will become much closer to Truth. Then those who do not have live, real time, communion with the Spirit of Jesus cannot be led by this Spirit and they will not be able to survive or live on earth. It seems that they will be banished from earth and heaven.

The Acts:17 verse: 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us.

One has to feel (or intuit) the Lord in order to find Him because He is in His Spirit. The Lord is in His Spirit. The unaware will find Him only haply (by chance or accident) within their own heart or spirit through the first slightest un-waxing of their heart. Then they can actually awaken hope of knowing the Lord.

The Lord is not far because the Lord is that Spirit of Jesus (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17) which God sent into the heart of each human (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).

There is no judgment for those who have embraced and is led by Jesus in the regeneration. They are on God's right hand side. They are automatically and already in God's kingdom of heaven. They are Christians. They are the chosen few on earth at this time. They are the the restored original Adam. Was there any judgment of the original Adam? No.

There is no judgment for those in Christ (i.e. Christians). They differ in no way from Jesus (although He is the head). Those in Christ are those who are led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do as discerned within their own hearts or spirits.

Being in Christ is the end of all judgment.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

Why are you linking judgment with regeneration?

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

There will come a day when the wisdom of the world will become much closer to Truth. Then those who do not have live, real time, communion with the Spirit of Jesus cannot be led by this Spirit and they will not be able to survive or live on earth. It seems that they will be banished from earth and heaven.

The Acts:17 verse: 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us.

One has to feel (or intuit) the Lord in order to find Him because He is in His Spirit. The Lord is in His Spirit. The unaware will find Him only haply (by chance or accident) within their own heart or spirit through the first slightest un-waxing of their heart. Then they can actually awaken hope of knowing the Lord.

The Lord is not far because the Lord is that Spirit of Jesus (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17) which God sent into the heart of each human (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).

There is no judgment for those who have embraced and is led by Jesus in the regeneration. They are on God's right hand side. They are automatically and already in God's kingdom of heaven. They are Christians. They are the chosen few on earth at this time. They are the the restored original Adam. Was there any judgment of the original Adam? No.

There is no judgment for those in Christ (i.e. Christians). They differ in no way from Jesus (although He is the head). Those in Christ are those who are led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do as discerned within their own hearts or spirits.

Being in Christ is the end of all judgment.

You are making things up.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

I don't know.

[Jedidiah]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

Why are you linking judgment with regeneration?

There will come a day when the wisdom of the world will become much closer to Truth. Then those who do not have live, real time, communion with the Spirit of Jesus cannot be led by this Spirit and they will not be able to survive or live on earth. It seems that they will be banished from earth and heaven.

The Acts:17 verse: 27 (Acts17:27KJV) That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us.

One has to feel (or intuit) the Lord in order to find Him because He is in His Spirit. The Lord is in His Spirit. The unaware will find Him only haply (by chance or accident) within their own heart or spirit through the first slightest un-waxing of their heart. Then they can actually awaken hope of knowing the Lord.

The Lord is not far because the Lord is that Spirit of Jesus (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17) (2Co3:17KJV) which God sent into the heart of each human (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6) (Ga4:5-6KJV).

There is no judgment for those who have embraced and is led by Jesus in the regeneration. They are on God's right hand side. They are automatically and already in God's kingdom of heaven. They are Christians. They are the chosen few on earth at this time. They are the the restored original Adam. Was there any judgment of the original Adam? No.

There is no judgment for those in Christ (i.e. Christians). They differ in no way from Jesus (although He is the head). Those in Christ are those who are led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do as discerned within their own hearts or spirits.

Being in Christ is the end of all judgment.

This.

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Jesus is already sitting on the right side of God, on His throne of glory. God has long glorified Jesus.

Jesus was installed there immediately after He returned to heaven from His physical visit to earth.

The thrown of Glory is to be King of the creation. From that throne, through His Spirit, Jesus rules the world among authentic Christians, i.e. those who are led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, as discerned within their own individual hearts or spirits.

Jesus' kingdom will soon blossom to full glory.

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

You are making things up.

Those are words in the KJV N.T. . . . . literally expressed.

In order to keep your belief you have to change those words, not me. I have not changed them. I simply reproduced them literally.

The time is here.
Truth will surface in all totality, accuracy and clarity.

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

I don't know.

Where is the word (or words) that links your statement, which is quoted above, to regeneration.

Regeneration is mentioned in only two verses. In one the Holy Ghost is mentioned as being connected to regeneration. In the other Jesus speaks of knowing Him in the regeneration.

Here I have reproduced them for your ease of reference:

KJV N.T.: Matthew 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Seem clear enough that knowing Jesus in the regeneration is about knowing Jesus in His Spirit which is the Holy Ghost.

Especially since, when Jesus returned to heaven and sat on the right side of God, then God sent Him back in His Spirit into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6). Note post # 158, above.

And especially since Jesus told His disciples that He must go away physically so that the Spirit of Truth will come to reveal All Truth to them (re. John: 16 verses: 7 & 13).

Especially since this is how (i.e. by discerning, embracing and being led by, Jesus' Spirit) Paul received Jesus in His Spirit (i.e. Spirit of Truth/Holy Ghost) and came to sit next to Jesus.

Clearly "following Jesus in the regeneration" has everything to do with Jesus' Spirit which is the Holy Ghost or the Spirit of Truth. They are all the same.

It has nothing to do with what you are saying, except to point out that he that overcome' get the reward of siting next to Jesus. This revelation does not say how to overcome.

In order for one to sell conventional traditional Christian beliefs, one has to distort these clear mutually supporting revelations in the KJV N.T..

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

I don't know.

"He that over cometh" is the one who is led into All his works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for him to pray for, say and do as discerned within his own hearts or spirit. Having done this as a way of life, then he "sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne". Overcoming is not achieved by "sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne". Overcoming must be achieved first (independently) before one can "sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne"

Seems that Peter was not led by the Spirit in the above manner. However Paul was led by the Spirit in the above manner.

Therefore Peter is not authorized to "sit with Jesus in His throne, even as Jesus also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne".

However Paul has qualified to "sit with Jesus in His throne, even as Jesus also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne".

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

How does one follow Jesus in the regeneration when He sits on the throne of His glory? Jesus is in heaven. How does one one follow Him?

One cannot rise to heaven to follow Jesus. Jesus told His disciples that they could not go where He went. However they can follow Jesus if He returns to earth. This was the only option for people on earth, including His disciples, to continue to follow Jesus. This is why God sent Jesus back, in His Spirit, so that these humans on earth, can be saved and delivered. God sent Jesus back in His Spirit, into the hearts of those under the law so that can now follow Jesus in His Spirit (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6). Jesus' Spirit, the Holy Ghost was regenerated in the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God.

Those who discern and are led by, this Spirit, within their own open hearts or spirits, are the ones' who follow Jesus in the regeneration. This is how one has communion with the living God through the living Jesus, through His living Spirit, within one's own heart or spirit . . . do not be left out. and do cause others to be left out.

Then it was announced that the Lord is that Spirit (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17). Did you heart this? Did you or do you heed this?

This is Truth.

The tenants of traditional Christianity is seriously flawed.

Traditional Christianity was informed by Peter and others the likes of Peter. They were not in Christ. Therefore they could not have the gift of the Spirit to discern Truth in the scriptures.

They did lettered or intellectual interpretations of scriptures. Truth in scriptures cannot be discern though this appraoch. However Peter & Co. and their spin-off churches, usurped the position and title of 'Christian'. And so, many came to them seek Truth/Christianity. Then by pedaling their erroneous ideas of Christianity, they misguided the very great majority of those who came to them seeking Truth and these masses of people (who were under their guidance and care) err because they did not get or know Truth and they remained unknown to Jesus and God.

The sad reality, it seems, is that the very great majority of people (all but the few) in traditional Christianity are misled about Christianity. They have been erring and will continue to err because they do not know or get Truth and not make it.

I am empowered and led by the Spirit and I am here to deliver Truth, as totally, accurately and clearly supported by KJV N.T. revelations of Truth now, in the fullness of time.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

Where is the word (or words) that links your statement, which is quoted above, to regeneration.

You asked about the connection between regeneration and judgment, so I gave you Matthew 19:28. That verse talks about thrones, as does the verse I provided from Revelation.

Regeneration is mentioned in only two verses. In one the Holy Ghost is mentioned as being connected to regeneration. In the other Jesus speaks of knowing Him in the regeneration.

It is not correct that Titus 3:5 is simply speaking of the Holy Ghost being connected to regeneration. The word regeneration is being used in a different sense. That is my current understanding.

Here I have reproduced them for your ease of reference:

KJV N.T.:

Matthew 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

Matthew 19:28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Seem clear enough that knowing Jesus in the regeneration is about knowing Jesus in His Spirit which is the Holy Ghost.

Especially since, when Jesus returned to heaven and sat on the right side of God, then God sent Him back in His Spirit into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6). Note post # 158, above.

Note that Stephen had the Holy Spirit and saw Jesus at the right hand of God.

And especially since Jesus told His disciples that He must go away physically so that the Spirit of Truth will come to reveal All Truth to them (re. John: 16 verses: 7 & 13).

Especially since this is how (i.e. by discerning, embracing and being led by, Jesus' Spirit) Paul received Jesus in His Spirit (i.e. Spirit of Truth/Holy Ghost) and came to sit next to Jesus.

There is no verse that says Paul came to sit next to Jesus.

Clearly "following Jesus in the regeneration" has everything to do with Jesus' Spirit which is the Holy Ghost or the Spirit of Truth. They are all the same.

It has nothing to do with what you are saying.

In order for one to sell conventional traditional Christian beliefs, one has to distort these clear mutually supporting revelations in the KJV N.T..

Your interpretations are distorted.

In your quote: "He that over cometh" is the one who is led into All his works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for him to pray for, say and do as discerned within his own hearts or spirit. Having done this as a way of life, then he "sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne".

You are saying we sit on thrones with Christ in this life. But when Jesus overcame, He died and rose again in that overcoming.

Seems that Peter was not led by the Spirit in the above manner. However Paul was led by the Spirit in the above manner.

Therefore Peter is not authorized to "sit with Jesus in His throne, even as Jesus also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne".

While Paul was alive, it could still not be said of him that he had overcome. The same for Peter.

However Paul has qualified to "sit with Jesus in His throne, even as Jesus also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne".

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

How does one follow Jesus in the regeneration when He sits on the throne of His glory? Jesus is in heaven. How does one one follow Him?

One cannot rise to heaven to follow Jesus.

We follow Jesus now that we would overcome and sit on thrones after our life on earth is done. That is my current understanding.

Jesus told His disciples that they could not go where He went. However they can follow Jesus if He returns to earth. This was the only option for people on earth, including His disciples, to continue to follow Jesus. This is why God sent Jesus back, in His Spirit,

Are you saying Jesus was sent back in His Spirit and at the same time remained in heaven? I don't believe Jesus has returned yet.

so that these humans on earth, can be saved and delivered. God sent Jesus back in His Spirit, into the hearts of those under the law so that can now follow Jesus in His Spirit (re. Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6). Jesus' Spirit, the Holy Ghost was regenerated in the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God.

Those who discern and are led by, this Spirit, within their own open hearts or spirits, are the ones' who follow Jesus in the regeneration. This is how one has communion with the living God through the living Jesus, through His living Spirit, within one's own heart or spirit . . . do not be left out. and do cause others to be left out.

Then it was announced that the Lord is that Spirit (re. 2 Corinthians: 3 verse: 17).

This is Truth.

The verse needs to be understood.

The tenants of traditional Christianity is seriously flawed.

Traditional Christianity was informed by Peter and others the likes of Peter. They were not in Christ. Therefore they could not have the gift of the Spirit to discern Truth in the scriptures.

They did lettered or intellectual interpretations of scriptures. Truth in scriptures cannot be discern though this appraoch. However Peter & Co. and their spin-off churches, usurped the position and title of 'Christian'. And so, many came to them seek Truth/Christianity. Then by pedaling their erroneous ideas of Christianity, they misguided the very great majority of those who came to them seeking Truth and these masses of people (who were under their guidance and care) err because they did not get or know Truth and they remained unknown to Jesus and God.

Do you remember all the things Jesus said to Peter? Do you remember the Paul was a sinner as well? Do you think Peter was "converted"?

The sad reality, it seems, is that the very great majority of people (all but the few) in traditional Christianity are misled about Christianity. They have been erring and will continue to err because they do not know or get Truth and not make it.

I am empowered and led by the Spirit and I am here to deliver Truth, as totally, accurately and clearly supported by KJV N.T. revelations of Truth now, in the fullness of time.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

Those are words in the KJV N.T. . . . . literally expressed.

In order to keep your belief you have to change those words, not me. I have not changed them. I simply reproduced them literally.

The time is here.
Truth will surface in all totality, accuracy and clarity.

I am finding fault with your words, not with the scriptures.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Gurucam

Jesus is already sitting on the right side of God, on His throne of glory. God has long glorified Jesus.

Jesus was installed there immediately after He returned to heaven from His physical visit to earth.

The thrown of Glory

Where in the Bible do you see a "throne" of glory?

is to be King of the creation. From that throne, through His Spirit, Jesus rules the world among authentic Christians, i.e. those who are led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit of Jesus has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, as discerned within their own individual hearts or spirits.

Jesus' kingdom will soon blossom to full glory.

That sounds like astrology.

[Untellectual]

1 John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

1 John 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Hebrews 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

You asked about the connection between regeneration and judgment, so I gave you Matthew 19:28.

The verses under consideration are:

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

None of these indicate that sitting down beside Jesus or God is how one follows Jesus in the regeneration.

They all say that sitting next to Jesus is the reward for following Jesus in the regeneration. And the regeneration remains linked to the Holy Ghost.

You added the last one.

Revelation 3:21 indicates that those who overcome will be granted the opportunity "to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne".

This confirms that one must 'overcome' which ever way before these thing will be added.

The question still remains, how does one overcome? If by over come you mean 'to follow Jesus in the regeneration. Then this verses is simply confirming what was delivered in Matthew 19:28 which is that one must follow Jesus in the regeneration in order to sit next to him.

All of these confirms that the reward for following Jesus in the regeneration is be able to sit on the side of Jesus.

The regeneration is still linked to the Holy Ghost and therefore linked to some facilitation that this Spirit can offer. Therefore following Jesus in the regeneration is still liked to following Jesus in His Spirit which is the Holy Ghost. And God did send this Spirit into the hearts of those under the law to aid their salvation and deliverance, i.e. to aid their passage to heaven to sit on the side of Jesus.

One cannot follow Jesus in the physical to reach heaven. One has to follow Jesus in His Spirit which is the Holy Ghost in order to sit next to Jesus in heaven.

For this reason God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law, so that they might become adopted children of God. That is, when people are led by this Spirit they are following Jesus in the regeneration. The Spirit is linked to the regeneration. To become a child of God is to be led by the Holy Ghost, like Jesus. Then, when one dies, one will rise to heaven (like Jesus) to be like an angel in heaven. This Spirit will lift them up to heaven, as it did for Jesus. And one will sit next to Jesus.

This is the path to siting with Jesus in heaven. The Holy Ghost cannot be left out. It is the Holy Ghost that enable it all and one must have communion with and be led by, the Holy Ghost (i.e. Jesus' Spirit), in one's current life time, in order to achieve heaven and sit next to Jesus. You are saved by the by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost. The washing of regeneration of the Holy Ghost (within your own heart) save you and deliver you to heaven to be next to Jesus.

Therefore go forth and seek ye first the Spirit of Jesus/Holy Ghost within your own heart and be led by it unconditionally, then every thing will be added, including the grant of sitting next to Jesus, in heaven.

You cannot simply leave out the Holy Ghost from those revelations, simply because it is getting in the way of your old and well entrenched erroneous traditional Christian beliefs.