toldailytopic: A just war. What are some morally acceptable circumstances that might
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War isn't evil. Neither is killing. It is the reason behind it. When Florida strapped Ted Bundy to the chair and threw the switch, they were being just, not evil.
War isn't evil. Neither is killing. It is the reason behind it. When Florida strapped Ted Bundy to the chair and threw the switch, they were being just, not evil.
Just to give you an example.
I would agree with that example with regards to the death penalty being justified, but war is different by the nature of its collateral civilian casualties.
So yes, when war is justified, and it can be, it's critically important that it's engaged for the right reasons, that's all.
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April 27th, 2012, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse
You might as well ask if there is such a thing as a just fight, or just killing.
Of course there is.
It was just to go to war against the NAZIS because of what they were doing to innocent people, for instance.
I tried to find one of George knocking Biff out, but no luck.
So its justified to kill people when church leaders and Christians failed doing the right thing?
Most people don't realize that most of the Nazi's were raised Christian and many thought they were doing God's work by exterminating the race that killed Jesus.
If the Church did the right thing and taught their members to be pacifist, Hitler could never have raised an army.
Not to mention that it was the Christian nations of the west that set the perfect stage for Hitlers rise with the way they settled World War I.
So its justified to kill people when church leaders and Christians failed doing the right thing?
Most people don't realize that most of the Nazi's were raised Christian and many thought they were doing God's work by exterminating the race that killed Jesus.
If the Church did the right thing and taught their members to be pacifist, Hitler could never have raised an army.
Not to mention that it was the Christian nations of the west that set the perfect stage for Hitlers rise with the way they settled World War I.
Depends.. there are all sorts of loons on this site, so trying to guess what you were commenting on is very difficult to determine.
Was it my comments on pacifism?... how is killing your fellow human compatible with loving and forgiving them?
Sometimes executing someone is the most loving thing you can do for them, and for the rest of humanity. And just because you execute someone that doesn't mean you can't forgive them first. However, Christ commanded we only forgive those who repent.
And if you think Jesus was a pacifist you need to read the story of the moneychangers in the temple.
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April 28th, 2012, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Town Heretic
Depends on what projection you believe. The Allies thought many more would die, civilians and military included, if they were forced to fight street to street and house to house to subdue the Japanese. They'd shown remarkable bravery and tenacity in that sort of situation.
Yes, that is one view. And I've also heard the view that it wouldn't have come to that and that the Japanese were near surrender. I don't know which is nearer to the truth.
Regardless, you would have to rely on speculation and I don't think I can justify dropping an atomic bomb on thousands of innocent people because I have a theory on what might happen if we don't.
The problems come when you draft soldiers who dont think they are properly compensated for what they are being forced to do, thats where the looting comes. Also to make sure that everything is above board the soldiers bearing the brunt of the war should be extraordinarily compensated to the extent that they would if they were to loot. If a nation can not financially afford the war without such payment then they must allow looting since the nation they are looting is who we are defending ourselves from anyways. There must be rules for dividing up the spoils as well otherwise you will have disention among the ranks.
If you see someone being attacked, would you get involved to help the victim?
Most likely not becuase our nations laws may not support you, just look at the tryvon case, that was very clearly self defense and it caused an ignorant lynch mob against zimmerman which will undoubitly not workin zimmermans favor. I would only defend someone if I were prepared to also defend myself from persecution from police and the subsequent swat team, if I had the arms and training to take out a swat team (ie overwhelming high tech fire power, becuase they obviously train more than me) then sure but I refuse to be subject to the whims of prosecutors after im already in hand cuffs and can no longer defend myself.
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