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Question Some questions about Catholic? - April 29th, 2012, 09:15 AM

We have read history. We know church was killed many people by hanging by fire by ....
We know they are innocent (whom was killed by church).
I watched a movie about Giordano Bruno and film showed me how church killed him in savagery manner.
We Know after Martin Luther stood against the church; The church was reformed.
Dear my friends, please answer by simple words:

1) Do you think the church before Luther was a cruel and savage?

2) Do you think Popes before Luther were cruel and savage?

3) Why you chose Catholic and do not become Protestant?

4) Now, what say Catholic church and Popes about church and Popes in medieval?

5) Is there any reformed in Catholic church after medieval?



   
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April 29th, 2012, 09:54 AM

Not everyone involved with Bruno's trial thought he should be executed. It was ultimately the decision of the civil authorities to kill him (this is how it actually was with pretty much everyone who was "burnt at the stake by the church.")

I think it's more important that you review the literature yourself and make your own decisions about these questions than rely on the mostly uninformed/misinformed views of others to decide for you.





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April 29th, 2012, 11:52 AM

TOL super-Catholics... ASSSEEEEMMMMBBBBLLLEEEE!





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April 29th, 2012, 11:54 AM

a lot of people in the Church did a lot of bad things

sorry





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April 29th, 2012, 12:03 PM

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a lot of people in the Church did a lot of bad things

sorry
That is respectable.

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April 29th, 2012, 12:24 PM

Being sorry isn't enough... nor is it biblical. If you wrong someone, you are supposed to pay them double the damages.

I'm sorry that your church thinks that lip service is enough...

Too bad Jesus' teachings is something they only follow when it is monetarily cheap... think about it.



   
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April 29th, 2012, 12:40 PM

Perhaps the greatest revelation that came out the reformation. Is that i don't need to go through any organization,or be connected to a freaking institute to LOVE my GOD,and have my own "personal" relationship with HIM. Nor do i need any man to teach me:
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.



   
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April 29th, 2012, 12:43 PM

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a lot of people in the Church did a lot of bad things

sorry
Man does bad things, regardless of one's associations.

There is something wonderful about man.
At the same time man is cruel, corrupt and evil.

The wonderfulness shows man's origin.
The cruelty shows man's falleness.

Man has a problem.
Man needs a merciful saviour!

He has come!



   
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April 29th, 2012, 01:00 PM

Both Protestants and Catholics committed horrifying atrocities against each other and against Jews and Muslims in the past.

The only sin we bear is in denying what those on our side of the fence did in those times.

Denial is strong in some denominations, particularly those with the most to deny.





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Post April 29th, 2012, 01:01 PM

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We know church was killed many people by hanging by fire by ....
Death by burning was a common form of execution in the culture of the Middle Ages.

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We know they are innocent (whom was killed by church).
No, rather these were incorrigible heretics. Heresy was considered a capital crime by the State as well as the Church, one which was sometimes punishable by death.

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I watched a movie about Giordano Bruno and film showed me how church killed him in savagery manner.
Yes, Bruno was an unrepentant heretic (he denied and taught against the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, among other things) who, after being given an extended period of time in which to recant his false doctrines, was finally executed by the civil government in 1600 A.D. For more information, see here.

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We Know after Martin Luther stood against the church; The church was reformed.
Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who ultimately rebelled against Christ's historic Church by seeking to impose his own fallible theological opinions upon the Church in place of ancient and established Christian doctrine.

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1) Do you think the church before Luther was a cruel and savage?
The fact is that society before and during Luther's time appears "cruel and savage" to 21st-century moderns who are accustomed to some form of the "separation of Church and State." No such supposed separation existed in the Medieaval Period.

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2) Do you think Popes before Luther were cruel and savage?
No more so than any other human leaders (kings, emperors, etc.) of that time. The vast majority of the popes were pious and godly men, while a relative few (mostly during the late Renaissance Period) became notorious sinners who followed their own appetites and desires rather than the Holy Spirit and Church teaching.

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3) Why you chose Catholic and do not become Protestant?
I was an Evangelical Protestant for some forty years before entering the Catholic Church in 2001. I was compelled to become a Catholic for the simple reason that the Catholic Church is that historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D. This Church is the only ecclesial group or organization that can trace its leadership (i.e., its bishops) back to Christ and his apostles. The Catholic Church is Christ's own historic Church, against which he promised that the gates of hell would never prevail (Mt. 16:18-19)---and they never have (1 Tim. 3:15).

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4) Now, what say Catholic church and Popes about church and Popes in medieval?
Modern popes like John Paul II and Benedict XVI have issued formal public apologies for the sins of the Renaissance popes, and have called upon all faithful Catholics to learn from the poor example of such unfaithful leaders.

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5) Is there any reformed in Catholic church after medieval?
Indeed there was, during a process known as the Counter-Reformation.



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April 29th, 2012, 01:11 PM

I think we should apologize for the Church's participation in all the following battles

the history of Islam





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I think we should apologize for the Church's participation in all the following battles

the history of Islam
Why, exactly, would the Church need to do that...?



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Why, exactly, would the Church need to do that...?



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it might show what we had to deal with
Apologizing would imply that the Church had no good or just reasons for its conflict with Islam during the Middle Ages, an assumption which is highly dubious.



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April 30th, 2012, 11:28 AM

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Death by burning was a common form of execution in the culture of the Middle Ages.
But the church was ruled over Europe. The rules were approved by the church or the church's request.



   
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