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April 28th, 2012, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
When we're justified by faith, we're no longer under the PENALTY of the Law. The Law is now written in our hearts....not done away with. The "ordinances" were those "added on" because of transgression. They were what the Jews had to DO to avoid the PENALTY of the Law.
Sin is the breaking of God's Law. As believers, we still commit sin, but the penalty has been paid for us. To throw out the Law of God is to throw the baby out with the bath water. God's Law is no longer a yoke of bondage but a delight to those in Christ. As we walk in the Spirit, we do fulfil His Law.
I agree with most of what you have said.
Christians are not to live by the WRITTEN LAW. The written law has been abolished. The law written on our hearts is the spiritual law, Romans 7:14. It is the first fruits of the Holy Spirit. It is a keeper until Christ appears.
Paul also delighted in the law because it reveals the righteousness of God, Romans 7:22. However, it is the law written on our hearts that convicts us of sin. This at times can be distressing, Romans 7:19, 20, 21.
Christians are not to live by the WRITTEN LAW. The written law has been abolished. The law written on our hearts is the spiritual law, Romans 7:14. It is the first fruits of the Holy Spirit. It is a keeper until Christ appears.
Paul also delighted in the law because it reveals the righteousness of God, Romans 7:22. However, it is the law written on our hearts that convicts us of sin. This at times can be distressing, Romans 7:19, 20, 21.
I appreciate your response, RP, and would like to add a few thoughts concerning the difference between God's Law and the Law of Moses.
God's Law, of course, will never be abolished. That IS the Law which is written on our hearts. It was only the Law of Moses, with it's ceremonies and ordinances, that was nailed to the cross.
It seems to me there is a lot of confusion involving the Law and it's purpose. Neither the Eternal Law of God nor the Law of Moses can ever justify man before God. It can never sanctify or make man holy. What it does is reveal sin. That's it's purpose.
The Law of God reveals sin to the unbeliever and leads him to Christ. The Law of God reveals sin to the believer as well. Too often, I see believers turning from the commandments because they "are no longer under the Law." It's the penalty of the Law we've been freed from.
Now, as a believer, I can delight in the Law. If I get carried away in my liberty and think I am free to do whatever pops into my head, I'm quickly reminded by the Holy Spirit of the commandments written by the finger of God. Now, that still small voice whispers, "Thou shalt not covet." Oops, I was desiring my neighbor's goods. Sorry, Lord, help me to be content with what I have.
We needn't fear God's Law or ignore it, but we should embrace it, for we are still in the flesh and subject to the sins of the flesh. Now we obey out of love instead of fear....because the PENALTY has been paid by our Saviour.
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April 29th, 2012, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
I appreciate your response, RP, and would like to add a few thoughts concerning the difference between God's Law and the Law of Moses.
God's Law, of course, will never be abolished. That IS the Law which is written on our hearts. It was only the Law of Moses, with it's ceremonies and ordinances, that was nailed to the cross.
It seems to me there is a lot of confusion involving the Law and it's purpose. Neither the Eternal Law of God nor the Law of Moses can ever justify man before God. It can never sanctify or make man holy. What it does is reveal sin. That's it's purpose.
The Law of God reveals sin to the unbeliever and leads him to Christ. The Law of God reveals sin to the believer as well. Too often, I see believers turning from the commandments because they "are no longer under the Law." It's the penalty of the Law we've been freed from.
Now, as a believer, I can delight in the Law. If I get carried away in my liberty and think I am free to do whatever pops into my head, I'm quickly reminded by the Holy Spirit of the commandments written by the finger of God. Now, that still small voice whispers, "Thou shalt not covet." Oops, I was desiring my neighbor's goods. Sorry, Lord, help me to be content with what I have.
We needn't fear God's Law or ignore it, but we should embrace it, for we are still in the flesh and subject to the sins of the flesh. Now we obey out of love instead of fear....because the PENALTY has been paid by our Saviour.
So nice to hear from someone that is of the Spirit.
I don't see separate laws. There is only one law and that is God's law.
Anything in the Bible that tells us to do something is law. The law says do. The Jews came up with over 600 laws and rules, it was just the tip of the iceburg.
The law not only convicts us of our sins, it reveals the very nature and character of God.
Here is where the real problem is at, we have two natures, Christ and Adam, they are at odds with each other. Romans 7 is a description of Paul wrestling with his Adamic nature. The Christian life is a fight and a struggle.
I delight in the law because it reveals the nature and character of God. We can trust him because he is righteous.
So nice to hear from someone that is of the Spirit.
I don't see separate laws. There is only one law and that is God's law.
Anything in the Bible that tells us to do something is law. The law says do. The Jews came up with over 600 laws and rules, it was just the tip of the iceburg.
The law not only convicts us of our sins, it reveals the very nature and character of God.
Here is where the real problem is at, we have two natures, Christ and Adam, they are at odds with each other. Romans 7 is a description of Paul wrestling with his Adamic nature. The Christian life is a fight and a struggle.
I delight in the law because it reveals the nature and character of God. We can trust him because he is righteous.
Yes, and what a delight! The law certainly reveals the character of God...it's a standard we can press toward....that high calling.
Yet as new creatures we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin. The old nature is dead (crucified with Christ).... our problem is believing that to be the case. As we present our bodies as living sacrifices, we walk in the Spirit more and more instead of allowing the deeds of the flesh to have preeminence in our lives.
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Romans 12
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
The Just is everyone Christ died for, and because of that, they shall live by Faith !
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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April 29th, 2012, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by beloved57
The Just is everyone Christ died for, and because of that, they shall live by Faith !
Try a literal translation:
Habakkuk 2:4b YLT
4And the righteous by his stedfastness liveth.
What you are calling "Just" is צַדִּיק and is translated as righteous 162, just 42, righteous man 1, lawful 1 in the KJV. The definition that applies is "c) just, righteous (in conduct and character)"
What you are calling "Faith" is אֱמוּנָה and is translated as faithfulness 18, truth 13, faithfully 5, office 5, faithful 3, faith 1, stability 1, steady 1, truly 1, verily 1 in the KJV. The definition that applies is "1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness"
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April 29th, 2012, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
Yes, and what a delight! The law certainly reveals the character of God...it's a standard we can press toward....that high calling.
Yet as new creatures we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin. The old nature is dead (crucified with Christ).... our problem is believing that to be the case. As we present our bodies as living sacrifices, we walk in the Spirit more and more instead of allowing the deeds of the flesh to have preeminence in our lives.
I agree, To walk in the Spirit is to walk in the Gospel. The Spirit and the Gospel are inseparable.
In the Gospel we are perfect and complete "In Chist"
In the Gospel we are resting "In Christ"
In the Gospel we are "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven.
Paul said, "The life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me."
It is a Credit to the Death of Christ, that all for whom He died shall live by Faith !
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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