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Therefore there is the existence of sin as an ever present reality in the world, and maybe it has had its affect in our lives as well.
You do what is right because it is right. You are carnally minded. It is very obvious you have your mind set on the flesh and no place else.
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A peculiar people. A people for God's own possession!
You are not Israel. Start reading the Bible, for your sake. I don't know why you refuse, but instead spout of meaningless pathetic "christian" cliches'.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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April 30th, 2012, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Guyver
And it did bring tremendous shame to the gospel. Jimmy Swaggart was very well known as a preacher of the gospel.
So, he does not have the right to repent and be forgiven by the Lord like Abraham, David, Peter, you and me have?
I always say to other brothers and sisters in the Lord, "If you, brother or sister, sin, be very careful that no one knows about it, only God, because God WILL FORGIVE you and God WILL place you in the PATH THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR YOU after YOU REPENT but our so-called 'brothers and sisters' in the Lord will NEVER accept what God has forgiven and restored because our brothers and sisters in the Lord know better than the Lord."
I also say, "Be wise and be very careful in the way you judge a brother or sister who fails the Lord, but he/she repent, just in case you do something similar, not necessarily the same thing, because the same way you are judging the brother or sister, that's exactly how you will be judged by your other brothers and sisters when you fail the Lord."
Last edited by lifeisgood; April 30th, 2012 at 02:17 PM.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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April 30th, 2012, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
Christ doesn't just save us in our lack.
He better save me in my lack. My lack of understanding that I need a Savior, my lack of knowledge of Him, my lack of knowledge of God [I did not know God existed], my lack of having anything that He wants, my lack of wanting Him.
He did save me in my lack, I brought nothing to Him when He came looking for me and told me (obviously in a preaching of His Gospel) He loved me and died for me.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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April 30th, 2012, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by meshak
If you are born of the Spirit, you will not say you dont have to obey Jesus to be saved.
I do not know if I am misunderstanding what you are saying, and for that I ask you to forgive me.
My understanding when I read the Gospels is that Jesus NEVER asked anybody to do anything to be saved. I always read Jesus saying, 'believe', 'do you believe I can', etc.
So, to be SAVED I do not have to do anything. But AFTER I am saved, then because I am saved, I will do certain things.
I cannot obey to be saved because I do not even know anything about Jesus, YET, BEFORE I am saved.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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April 30th, 2012, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
Is it okay to say a person has to obey Jesus completely in order to be saved?
No. How can you obey? You have not YET being adopted into the family of God. You do not know what the rules and regulations are.
I think we are mixing things here.
First I have to hear the Gospel, then the Holy Spirit has to prick my heart and convict me that I am a sinner, then I have to believe what I have heard, and then I am adopted into His family.
What have I obeyed, YET? I have not obeyed anything to be saved, I came as I was, tired, confused, empty, angry, etc. I had nothing that God wanted from me. His mercy reached down to me and He saved me.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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April 30th, 2012, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
You require people to do x (obey Jesus, obey the Spirit of God) in order to be saved (in the end?)?
No. Nothing is required to be saved. I cannot obey anything, before I am saved. I AM NOT YET of God's family, therefore cannot do anything to obey what God demands of His family.
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
I'm saying if we can't perfectly obey Jesus (New Testament question), then how can we be saved by obeying Jesus?
I am not saved by obeying Jesus. I am saved because He died on the Cross of Calvary in my place and the Holy Spirit invites me to accept what I have heard, then the Holy Spirit baptizes me into Christ (Rom. 6:3-5).
I cannot obey Jesus before I have been accepted into His family. The obeying COMES AFTER I am part of His family. It cannot be before, I have no idea what to obey, yet (before being saved).
To be saved I just come, as I am, with nothing to offer Him. He takes me as I am.
Last edited by lifeisgood; April 30th, 2012 at 02:18 PM.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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April 30th, 2012, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
Do you have to be without sin (perfectly obedient) to be saved?
Yes.
And who is?
No, you do not have to be without sin to be saved. For that matter, YOU CAN'T be without sin to be saved. That's why the Holy Spirit has to convict you, "You are a sinner. You need Jesus. Come to Him."
Even AFTER we are saved WE SIN, do we not?
If we say we do not sin AFTER being saved we make GOD a liar.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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April 30th, 2012, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jedidiah
Why say no to sin if you believe in Jesus and Jesus is to be your judge and repenting of sin will delay His coming. I don't get it.
If you say 'yes' to sin, which you can choose to do, YOU will be the only one receiving the consequences of that 'sin' here on earth. That's not a good way to live, having to pay for 'consequences' all the time.
Sometimes the ones who are reprimanding others are in worst condition than the ones being reprimanded.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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April 30th, 2012, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Jedidiah
Do you want Him to come quickly or not. He is coming quickly Rev22:20, He will delay if you repent Rev2:16, and He does not want to come quickly but wants you to repent 2Pe3:9.
What do you want.
He will come at His appointed time, not one minute before or one minute after. His coming belongs to Him, not to how I behave.
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1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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April 30th, 2012, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
In our weakness He is strong.
There is reason to encourage each other in the things of righteousness.
I hope you do not encourage people in the things of wickedness.
You have encouraged me, today...once again. The new covenant is not like the old, it allows for imperfection, due to love. Love covers the multitude of our sin, but it also does not teach us that we are free to sin, just because we have embraced it. If we have truly repented and been saved, our hearts have been changed, that change can only take place if we have learned to hate sin. No one who hates sin, wants to sin. If we still want to sin, we have not repented, to begin with, and this is why all the confusion, about what the gospel is.
To encourage you:
Psa 141:3 Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips.
Psa 141:4 Incline not my heart to [any] evil thing, to practise wicked works with men that work iniquity: and let me not eat of their dainties.
This is a repentant heart, and without it, no one is saved.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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April 30th, 2012, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jedidiah
Oh.
I concur with Jedidiah on this one, Oh.
The definition of 'Local Church' is:
Usually people associate the word “church” with a building or denomination, however, the Greek meaning of the word “church” in the NT is ‘AN ASSEMBLY OF PEOPLE.’ When Jesus spoke to His disciples that he would build His “church”, He did not mean a building or an organization but simply A GROUP OF PEOPLE REDEEMED FROM SIN BY HIS SACRIFICIAL DEATH. (Matthew 16:13; 16-18).
Paul clearly demonstrated the true nature of the church as an assembly of people and the true essence of Christianity as a RELATIONSHIP rather than a religion in the letter to the Ephesians where the relationship of the church to her Savior Jesus was used to illustrate the ideal relationship between a husband and wife. (Ephesians 5:22-32). (30) because we are members of His body. (31) FOR THIS CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND SHALL CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE; AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. (32) This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
The NT use the word ‘church’ to translate the Greek word ‘ekklesiai’, which generally can refer to any assembly of people. When the word ‘church’ is used in the NT to refer to believers the term ‘ekklesiai’ points to that group or assembly of people who belong to God as a result of being redeemed from sin through the death of Jesus Christ.
At least that’s what I understand for the term ‘Local Church’. A group or assembly of people who belong to God because they have been redeemed from sin (original sin – which is separation from God) through the death of Jesus Christ.
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1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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April 30th, 2012, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by meshak
We already have been through this; why the repetition? Jesus' commandments are not burdensome if we are true servants of His.
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Yes, it is encouraging to know that where there is love, there is no burden. He covers our mistakes, our weaknesses, and through knowing this, the burden is lifted. The problem today is that some think the burden being lifted equals, you are free to live as you choose, but you were bought with a price that that price is not cheap. It cost Him His life. If we love Him, for what He did for us, we will accept that His will for us is a new life. Not a life continuing in the old 'self'.
Agree? If we have the attitude of 'I will live as I choose', we have not submitted to Him, in repentance.
to the non self righteous. He will confess your name before all.
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