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April 20th, 2012, 12:44 PM

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everyone needs the RCC

i know i definitely need the Church

because i am a sinner

because i dont want to be a sinner

because i love Jesus and want to be close to Him

because I NEED to be close to Him...

because no one but Jesus loves me like He can

because Jesus and His Church are the way to Heaven

I guess if none of that applies to you

you dont need Christ's Church
The only promise that was given to believers was the Gift of the Holy Spirit to the elect... that is all I need.

Jesus lives inside his sheep... through the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Where is the pagan originated church in this whole mess?.... no where.

There is only ONE mediator between God and Man... Jesus himself.. the Pope is not a mediator, neither is Mary.

Once you stop the polytheism, then maybe there will be hope for you.



   
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Post April 20th, 2012, 04:07 PM

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Where is the [Catholic] Church in this whole mess?.... no where.
Try again.

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There is only ONE mediator between God and Man...Jesus himself...
Yes, only Jesus is a Mediator in a salvific sense. There is only one Salvific Mediator, who is Jesus Christ.

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...the Pope is not a mediator, neither is Mary.
True. Neither the Pope nor Mary is the one Salvific Mediator.

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Once you stop the polytheism, then maybe there will be hope for you.
Straw Man. Catholics are strict monotheists. Sorry for your (continuing, and willful) confusion.



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May 1st, 2012, 02:20 AM

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everyone needs the RCC

i know i definitely need the Church

because i am a sinner

because i dont want to be a sinner

because i love Jesus and want to be close to Him

because I NEED to be close to Him...

because no one but Jesus loves me like He can

because Jesus and His Church are the way to Heaven

I guess if none of that applies to you

you dont need Christ's Church
And does Jesus ever get a holiday from you?

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May 1st, 2012, 02:22 AM

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True. Neither the Pope nor Mary is the one Salvific Mediator.
Good, so we don't need the pope for anything. Mary is surplus to requirements too.

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Good, so we don't need the pope for anything.
Non Sequitur Fallacy #1.

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Mary is surplus to requirements too.
Non Sequitur Fallacy #2.



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Non Sequitur Fallacy #1.


Non Sequitur Fallacy #2.



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All you want to do is rebuild the curtain that Christ tore from top to bottom.

Face the truth and come out enlightened... and a true child of God.



   
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All you want to do is rebuild the curtain that Christ tore from top to bottom.
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Right back at you.



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Non Sequitur Fallacy #1.


[font="Georgia"]Non Sequitur Fallacy #2.
Well they would be your non-sequiturs then, wouldn't they.

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May 2nd, 2012, 10:48 AM

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The only promise that was given to believers was the Gift of the Holy Spirit to the elect... that is all I need.

Jesus lives inside his sheep... through the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Where is the pagan originated church in this whole mess?.... no where.

There is only ONE mediator between God and Man... Jesus himself.. the Pope is not a mediator, neither is Mary.

Once you stop the polytheism, then maybe there will be hope for you.
if you were such a good Christian... why are your posts so hateful sounding?



   
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May 2nd, 2012, 10:50 AM

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if you were such a good Christian... why are your posts so hateful sounding?
Stating the truth is hateful?

I'm pretty dumbfounded by that statement.

Sorry, but I cannot stand silent while a fellow human being makes a mockery of Jesus' work on the cross.

Should I continue letting you worship (oh, I am sorry.. venerate) idols and other human beings?

God is a jealous god, and does not share with humans.

Just remember that scripture says... true religion is not one of sight, but of good conscience. It's amazing how many people, protestant and catholic alike, need visual symbols when none should even be allowed because they lead to idolatry.

I refuse to use any symbols.. be it a cross, fish or whatever, and I also refuse to call anything made by human hands Holy, as that is God's divine right alone.



   
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Well they would be your non-sequiturs then, wouldn't they.
No.



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amazing how many people, protestant and catholic alike, need visual symbols when none should even be allowed because they lead to idolatry. I refuse to use any symbols.. be it a cross, fish or whatever, and I also refuse to call anything made by human hands Holy, as that is God's divine right alone.
Your tacit denial of the Christian doctrine of the Incarnation is noted.



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As is yours.

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Your tacit acceptance of the canon law that authorises bishops to abduct children from their parents is noted.

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Your tacit acceptance of the canon law that authorises bishops to abduct children from their parents is noted.

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Yup, their complicity with the Spanish Government in abducting all those kids and placing them in 'good' catholic homes should have resulted in the expulsion of the catholic church entirely from Spain.

No apology or attempt to return the children to their rightful parents yet... how sad.



   
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