[Guyver]

Originally Posted by sky.

A Christian does not doubt the Bible. It can be proven but you start with the attitude that it has to be proven in order to be the word of God and fact.

You speak for all Christians?

If the Bible can be proven as you say, then why would you be opposed to doing so?

And, if it can be proven, then why doesn't everyone believe it?

[sky.]

Originally Posted by Guyver

You speak for all Christians?

If the Bible can be proven as you say, then why would you be opposed to doing so?

And, if it can be proven, then why doesn't everyone believe it?

Every Christian I know believes that the Bible is the word of God and fact. If they don't believe it and say so and tell me to prove it then I walk away.

Why would a Christian ask me to prove that the Bible is the word of God?

[Guyver]

Originally Posted by sky.

Every Christian I know believes that the Bible is the word of God and fact. If they don't believe it and say so and tell me to prove it then I walk away.

Why would a Christian ask me to prove that the Bible is the word of God?

Maybe because they'd like to see the people of the world get saved too?

And if someone knowledgeable like yourself can offer them solid reasons to believe they might accept it. I recently read a poll somewhere that states more young people in today's world believe in evolution than the Bible.

That seems like a good enough reason to me.

[sky.]

Originally Posted by Guyver

Maybe because they'd like to see the people of the world get saved too?

And if someone knowledgeable like yourself can offer them solid reasons to believe they might accept it. I recently read a poll somewhere that states more young people in today's world believe in evolution than the Bible.

That seems like a good enough reason to me.

We are talking Christian to Christian.

[One In Christ]

Sounds like Guyver is a disbeliever trying to convince himself...

[Guyver]

Originally Posted by sky.

We are talking Christian to Christian.

Well I assume that you and I were speaking Christian to Christian moments ago when you took offense to me asking you to prove that the Bible is the Word of God....so I don't know how that helps.

In any event, maybe you'd like to answer the questions I asked John?

Masoretic or Septuagint?

Canon of the East, or West?

Which is the right Bible, or are they all?

[Guyver]

Originally Posted by One In Christ

Sounds like Guyver is a disbeliever trying to convince himself...

Thanks OIC. real helpful. Yes sir, that edifies.

[sky.]

Originally Posted by Guyver

Well I assume that you and I were speaking Christian to Christian moments ago when you took offense to me asking you to prove that the Bible is the Word of God....so I don't know how that helps.

In any event, maybe you'd like to answer the questions I asked John?

Masoretic or Septuagint?

Canon of the East, or West?

Which is the right Bible, or are they all?

All of the Bibles I have read are the word of God.

[john w]

Originally Posted by Guyver

We're going round and round. I'll stop beating around the bush, OK?

You have a simple-childlike faith and it takes the form of KJVonlyism.

I don't have a problem with that, you're entitled to believe as you wish. And Jesus himself said we should have simple, child-like faith. My beef with you is two-fold.

1. You have your faith, but you condemn others for theirs if it disagrees with yours.

2. You don't offer up good explanations for why your faith is right and everyone else's is wrong.

Why do I object to these two things?

Firstly, as a believer in Jesus Christ, and the Holy Bible as you say you are, then you should follow what it says to the best of your ability, not just the parts you pick and choose. Judging others and condemning others isn't right, especially if you're making false accusations or off-based judgments.

Secondly, to be so certain that you're right and everyone else is wrong requires a large amount of "proving."

TBC

Name your infallible source authority for correcting any "the Bible," as I have asked you more than once.

[john w]

Originally Posted by CabinetMaker

So can I run down to the book store and pick up a true and perfect copy of the Bible?

Also, you have not proven that I am a Bible rejector. You have asserted it many times but you have never shown where I rejected the Bible. What Bible did I reject John? What is the Bible John?

"you may have a bible that is not really a bible."-CM

I have the true, perfect, right, certain scripture. I have identified it, and showed you where you can get a copy. And no one, especially a bible rejector, has proven it is not pure, perfect, true, sure, certain.


You missed it. I stay on topic, while dismissing yours, and your humanism.

"The Bible is a collection of 66 books that are divided into the Old Testament and the New Testament."-CM

Where can I get a copy of that true, perfect, right, certain...........scripture, that the LORD God promised to preserve?


CM:" The Bible."

Where can I get a copy of that true, perfect, right, certain...........scripture, that the LORD God promised to preserve?
Identify this 'the Bible,' and where I can get a copy of it-the one that is true, perfect, right, certain...........that the LORD God promised to preserve.

[john w]

Originally Posted by HisServant

You have yet to prove that when God promised to preserve his word he had the 'Bible' in mind.

I contend that he did not.

So many assumptions on your part.. and so little solid reasoning.. its very disappointing.

On record-subectivity, feelings, emotions....

For all to view:

"You have yet to prove that when God promised to preserve his word he had the 'Bible' in mind.I contend that he did not."-satansservant

[Guyver]

Originally Posted by john w

Name your infallible source authority for correcting any "the Bible," as I have asked you more than once.

And I did answer you at least once, remember?

But in a general sense....I'm not sure I can answer your question, and I don't know if it's even possible.

The original scriptures written in Hebrew for the Old Testament, and Greek for the New Testament are the source authority. But they were written on perishable materials that decay with time and they are no longer available. Fortunately, they were copied by hand over and over again for thousands of years which have allowed copies of the original scriptures to be preserved for our benefit and the benefit of all interested persons.

Anyway, I'm not trying to correct the Bible so I don't know why you would ask that question.

[Guyver]

Originally Posted by john w

I have the true, perfect, right, certain scripture. I have identified it, and showed you where you can get a copy. And no one, especially a bible rejector, has proven it is not pure, perfect, true, sure, certain.

Interesting...I've read this thread from start to finish and I don't remember that. Can you reference the post number where you explained this?

Originally Posted by john w

Where can I get a copy of that true, perfect, right, certain...........scripture, that the LORD God promised to preserve?

Scripture reference please?

Originally Posted by john w

Identify this 'the Bible,' and where I can get a copy of it-the one that is true, perfect, right, certain...........that the LORD God promised to preserve.

Can you please show where the word "Bible" exists in the scriptures, and this promise that God made to preserve one right, true, certain, and perfect copy?

[Guyver]

This is Theology Online....right?

It's not pansies online, it's not posers online, it's not pretenders online..it's Theology Online.

So, I'm not sure why people would object to this line of discussion. It puzzles me. If you believe something to be true, then you must have reasons for it.

And the reasons you have for believing something should be able to be discussed and they shouldn't be taboo, especially for discussion among like-minded people.

Some people play with rattlesnakes in church. People die from playing with rattlesnakes in church. Little children are left without fathers or mothers because people play with venomous snakes in church.

There must obviously be a reason why they believe it's ok. I don't agree with it, and I will argue against it everytime.

This is an example of unchecked and faulty belief run amok.

At the same time, something that is right, true, trustworthy and beneficial should be held in esteem and regarded.

[john w]

Originally Posted by Guyver

And I did answer you at least once, remember?

But in a general sense....I'm not sure I can answer your question, and I don't know if it's even possible.

The original scriptures written in Hebrew for the Old Testament, and Greek for the New Testament are the source authority. But they were written on perishable materials that decay with time and they are no longer available. Fortunately, they were copied by hand over and over again for thousands of years which have allowed copies of the original scriptures to be preserved for our benefit and the benefit of all interested persons.

Anyway, I'm not trying to correct the Bible so I don't know why you would ask that question.

"which have allowed copies of the original scriptures to be preserved for our benefit and the benefit of all interested persons."-Guyver

Then where can I get a copy of theses true, right, certain, pure...." "copies of the original scriptures" that God promised "to be preserved?"


"Anyway, I'm not trying to correct the Bible so I don't know why you would ask that question."-Guyver

Lies. You said the KJB has errors-you are correcting it, liar, on this issue.



Name your infallible source authority for correcting any "the Bible," as I have asked you more than once.