Much of Israel has, so I don't make this kind of statement. Many of Israel turned away from Christ so many years ago (2000). It is not right to judge people nowadays for the sins of people so long ago.Do you believe Israel has yet to receive forgiveness of sins? Because God granted them repentance before even the Gentiles were granted repentance. Some did not believe, but were hardened. But so many have believed. It is not right to hold a grudge or postpone the New Covenant. We cannot say it did not come for them but came for us. That is taking away the Messiah from them. My opinion at this time. Waiting for what you have to say.
On Israel's feast of Shavuot(Pentecost), three thousand Jews received their Messiah. A couple of days later another five-thousand Jews were saved.
Yet, Peter still appeals to Israel in Acts 3 saying, that if they will repent, the GOD would send Jesus for the days of restitution of all things spoken by the prophets.
The salvation of corporate Israel cannot be separated from the promises concerning the land.
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
Jews all over the world still celebrate their deliverance from Egypt.
There's coming a time when they will, instead, celebrate their wholeness in the land.
Jews today and for the last two-thousand years are saved the same way Gentiles are saved and become part of the body of Christ.....but there is coming a day for 'corporate' Israel.
Slogan/motto:
Deuteronomy 6:6 (KJV) And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
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May 1st, 2012, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by steko
On Israel's feast of Shavuot(Pentecost), three thousand Jews received their Messiah. A couple of days later another five-thousand Jews were saved.
Yet, Peter still appeals to Israel in Acts 3 saying, that if they will repent, the GOD would send Jesus for the days of restitution of all things spoken by the prophets.
The salvation of corporate Israel cannot be separated from the promises concerning the land.
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
Jews all over the world still celebrate their deliverance from Egypt.
There's coming a time when they will, instead, celebrate their wholeness in the land.
Jews today and for the last two-thousand years are saved the same way Gentiles are saved and become part of the body of Christ.....but there is coming a day for 'corporate' Israel.
Do you believe all Israel being saved means "corporate" Israel?
You speak of salvation and land promises. But salvation is not in having land, but knowing or rather being known by God and Jesus Christ.
Deuteronomy 10:12 (KJV) And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
Deuteronomy 10:13 (KJV) To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 2nd, 2012, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
Do you believe all Israel being saved means "corporate" Israel?
You speak of salvation and land promises. But salvation is not in having land, but knowing or rather being known by God and Jesus Christ.
I will start a thread called SALVATION and we can discuss it.
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1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 2nd, 2012, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
Colossians 4:2 Devote yourselves to prayer, keeping alert in it with an attitude of thanksgiving;
Colossians 4:3 praying at the same time for us as well, that God will open up to us a door for the word, so that we may speak forth the mystery of Christ, for which I have also been imprisoned;
Colossians 4:4 that I may make it clear in the way I ought to speak.
1 John 4:16-21
16God is love. If we keep on loving others, we will stay one in our hearts with God, and he will stay one with us. 17 If we truly love others and live as Christ did in this world, we won’t be worried about the day of judgment. 18 A real love for others will chase those worries away. The thought of being punished is what makes us afraid. It shows that we have not really learned to love. 19 We love because God loved us first. 20 But if we say we love God and don’t love each other, we are liars. We cannot see God. So how can we love God, if we don’t love the people we can see? 21 The commandment that God has given us is: “Love God and love each other!”
Let's love each other today and always!
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 2nd, 2012, 05:43 AM
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meshak;3056784]I am not giving them revenge. so you are saying you were just fighting.
No, I am saying that I went about it the wrong way..for the most part. My intentions were always good, but my lack of wisdom on how to speak truth was lacking. As love grows, so does wisdom.
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I understand what you are saying now. But dont include me as if I was just like you. I am only spreading ignored Jesus' teachings and commandments. I dont do anything for my ego. I work for Jesus.
I was speaking for no one but myself.
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If ego was you focus, yes you should change. I hope you dont hinder my messages of Jesus because you disapprove of what I am doing. It sounds like you are criticizing me in subtle way again. I say it again because you did criticize me of my methods. That is not good, friend. You dont know what the Holy Spirit is telling me to do.
If you speak with love, you have nothing to worry about. We could all grow a bit more in that area, in mho..those who think they have no need are the ones I worry about most.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 2nd, 2012, 05:50 AM
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=Untellectual;3056827]Are you saying being involved in the New Covenant is dependant upon the individual person? That is, that Israel is not in the New Covenant, but Christians are? I'm trying to understand your view.
I believe I am a part of the New Covenant. Because of Jesus Christ.
Yes, and Paul was a minister of it. (New covenant), but there is no sense in arguing with them, they will not accept it, until God Himself corrects them. In the meantime, speak words of love, encourage and show the light of what this new covenant is.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 2nd, 2012, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Cracked
If so, she can join with the sizable population of onions on TOL.
Howdy Cracked.
God Bless you!
As we grow in grace and in knowledge, God undoes one more peal at a time...(onion skin), eh?
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1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 2nd, 2012, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Untellectual
Much of Israel has, so I don't make this kind of statement. Many of Israel turned away from Christ so many years ago (2000). It is not right to judge people nowadays for the sins of people so long ago.Do you believe Israel has yet to receive forgiveness of sins? Because God granted them repentance before even the Gentiles were granted repentance. Some did not believe, but were hardened. But so many have believed. It is not right to hold a grudge or postpone the New Covenant. We cannot say it did not come for them but came for us. That is taking away the Messiah from them. My opinion at this time. Waiting for what you have to say.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 2nd, 2012, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by steko
On Israel's feast of Shavuot(Pentecost), three thousand Jews received their Messiah. A couple of days later another five-thousand Jews were saved.
Yet, Peter still appeals to Israel in Acts 3 saying, that if they will repent, the GOD would send Jesus for the days of restitution of all things spoken by the prophets.
The salvation of corporate Israel cannot be separated from the promises concerning the land.
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
Jews all over the world still celebrate their deliverance from Egypt.
There's coming a time when they will, instead, celebrate their wholeness in the land.
Jews today and for the last two-thousand years are saved the same way Gentiles are saved and become part of the body of Christ.....but there is coming a day for 'corporate' Israel.
I ask you in love to please not muck up this thread with this type of stuff. There was no such thing as an unconditional land promise. To claim there is, is setting aside a whole lot of scriptures that state otherwise. The good news is that salvation has come to Israel, and, there are better promises to the jew first. Can we keep this thread out of the mucked up teachings of men?
If it goes there, I will close it. I want this thread to remain for the purpose I opened it, not to be used to debate the escatology of dispensationalists.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 2nd, 2012, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon
I will start a thread called SALVATION and we can discuss it.
LA
Thank you, LA.
I would like this thread to remain on topic.
The topic is why I came back, and why I do not want to debate 'escatology'.
There is alot of room on this board for that, for those who want to participate.
Slogan/motto:
Ephesians 3:9: "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:"
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May 2nd, 2012, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NewDay
Can we keep this thread out of the mucked up teachings of men?
In lieu of the mucked up teachings of a woman?
1. Land forever. Gen 17:8 (KJV)
2. City FROM heaven. Rev 21:2 (KJV)
3. Heavenly places. Eph 2:6-7(KJV)
Don't mix them, leavening the whole household of God. Luke 13:21 (KJV)
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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May 2nd, 2012, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by One In Christ
Eschatology... But hey... No one is counting I guess...
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