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If you think you can fool God, you are only fooling yourselves. You will harvest what you plant.
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May 1st, 2012, 02:18 AM
John dedicates his entire gospel to the singular purpose of reestablishing Jesus’ true identity.
Note carefully John’s specific purpose statement: "But these things have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31).
Here is the revealing of the mystery of godliness known equally to Peter: "Who do you say that I am?" "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God" (Matt. 16:16). Jesus congratulated Peter for his discerning insight, revealed by "my Father who is in heaven." No mention was made of a preexistent eternal Son in Peter’s answer. The Christology of the giants of original Christianity insists on belief that Jesus was the Christ and Son of God. And to be "Son of God" in the Bible is a claim not to be God, but God’s special agent and commissioner.
It is worth reflecting seriously on the fact that God, being immortal, cannot die. Nor indeed can an immortal angel. There is only one category in which the Messiah can be placed: that of mortal, human being.
After all there is "one God, the Father" (I Cor. 8:6) and one (human) Lord Messiah, the adoni of Psalm 110:1 and the unique, sinless man, mediator between ourselves and the One God (I Tim 2:5).
In the words of Jesus the words and wisdom of the One God are revealed.
In Jesus we hear God’s final word to the dying world (Heb. 1:1-2).
Acts 3:19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26
Who is the Servant, the Chosen one?
Warm Christian love.
Blessed be the GOD and FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ.
John dedicates his entire gospel to the singular purpose of reestablishing Jesus’ true identity.
Note carefully John’s specific purpose statement: "But these things have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31).
Here is the revealing of the mystery of godliness known equally to Peter: "Who do you say that I am?" "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God" (Matt. 16:16). Jesus congratulated Peter for his discerning insight, revealed by "my Father who is in heaven." No mention was made of a preexistent eternal Son in Peter’s answer. The Christology of the giants of original Christianity insists on belief that Jesus was the Christ and Son of God. And to be "Son of God" in the Bible is a claim not to be God, but God’s special agent and commissioner.
It is worth reflecting seriously on the fact that God, being immortal, cannot die. Nor indeed can an immortal angel. There is only one category in which the Messiah can be placed: that of mortal, human being.
After all there is "one God, the Father" (I Cor. 8:6) and one (human) Lord Messiah, the adoni of Psalm 110:1 and the unique, sinless man, mediator between ourselves and the One God (I Tim 2:5).
In the words of Jesus the words and wisdom of the One God are revealed.
In Jesus we hear God’s final word to the dying world (Heb. 1:1-2).
Acts 3:19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26
Who is the Servant, the Chosen one?
Warm Christian love.
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Every time I read your "warm christian love" it nauseates me, do you think I would not know warm christian love if it were there? it is a wolf in sheep's clothing that ye are. All your posts are just as hateful against the true church as jerzy's or Meshak.
Because you war against the Holy Spirit He does not teach you, even abc truths concerning the nature of sonship and fatherhood...you do not have that revelation that Peter had or you would understand that his confession of Christ's Sonship was to confess Christ's deity.
It is hardly a small nuance is it, a little oversight on your part, it is the difference between you being a child of God or not. This is YOUR crowd
"This is why the Jews sought all the more to kill Him because He not only broke the sabbath but also called God His Father, making Himself equal with God."
The hate you have for the true church is of the exact like nature, which is why when I showed you how that God charges you with being liars and murderers you were not able to answer.
"The Father judges no man but has given all judgement to the Son that all men may honour the Son even as they honour the Father.
He who does not honour the Son does not honour the the Father who sent Him."
Your claim to worship the Most high God then is yet another lie.
Jon 1:1 is not scholarly correct interpretation. It is obviously wrong because it is out of context to all Jesus has to says about Himself. And the rest has nothing to do with the trinity or Jesus is God.
You guys should stop taking traditional evil doctrines or practices as biblical.
Jesus is Lord, you should take that seriously and believe what He has to say, instead of what your churches or tradition has to say..
You know what is really sad Meshak (and the rest of TOL's arian populace)? You didn't get this from any study of your own, but the 'tradition' of the arian men. They are wrong, I can show it from scripture, and you don't care.
Honestly? Most arian argument is internet gossip, fodder for snopes.com, and wives-tales. I have yet to meet an actual arian scholar who has taken Hebrew and Greek.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 1st, 2012, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Totton Linnet
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Every time I read your "warm christian love" it nauseates me, do you think I would not know warm christian love if it were there? it is a wolf in sheep's clothing that ye are. All your posts are just as hateful against the true church as jerzy's or Meshak.
Because you war against the Holy Spirit He does not teach you, even abc truths concerning the nature of sonship and fatherhood...you do not have that revelation that Peter had or you would understand that his confession of Christ's Sonship was to confess Christ's deity.
It is hardly a small nuance is it, a little oversight on your part, it is the difference between you being a child of God or not. This is YOUR crowd
"This is why the Jews sought all the more to kill Him because He not only broke the sabbath but also called God His Father, making Himself equal with God."
The hate you have for the true church is of the exact like nature, which is why when I showed you how that God charges you with being liars and murderers you were not able to answer.
"The Father judges no man but has given all judgement to the Son that all men may honour the Son even as they honour the Father.
He who does not honour the Son does not honour the the Father who sent Him."
Your claim to worship the Most high God then is yet another lie.
Totton,
If Christ spoke to me like you do then I would not want anything to do with Him, but He does not.
You risk severe punishment.
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Mat 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Mat 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mat 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
Mat 18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
Mat 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 1st, 2012, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Lon
You know what is really sad Meshak (and the rest of TOL's arian populace)? You didn't get this from any study of your own, but the 'tradition' of the arian men. They are wrong, I can show it from scripture, and you don't care.
Honestly? Most arian argument is internet gossip, fodder for snopes.com, and wives-tales. I have yet to meet an actual arian scholar who has taken Hebrew and Greek.
I have read many responses from non-trinitarians using many scriptures on this board.
What you are saying is that the translaters of the bible did not know Hebrew and Greek.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yes when YOU determine...never mind what was meant by John and the Holy Ghost the Logos was God and the Logos became flesh and dwelt among us.
Make up your mind Totton.
Was the logos God or Jesus or the word?
You all mixed up friend.
Are you waiting for someone to tell you what you believe?
The son of God has a God. The Son of God tells you that there is ONLY one God.
How can you tell me that the Son of God, who has a God, is God?
Thats just plain silly.
The Son of God became flesh and was among us, not God. God did not become flesh. God is Spirit. He has no hands with nail holes, his son does.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
You know what is really sad Meshak (and the rest of TOL's arian populace)? You didn't get this from any study of your own, but the 'tradition' of the arian men.
You are putting the word into my mouth. Don't tell me how I learn the Bible. I am serious Jesus' follower and servant. I dont follow any man or organization like trin church people do. It is so sad that you brain washed so deeply that you cannot see any other way but believe in traditional lies.
I can see the whole picture which is whole context of the Bible. So I dont have to be scholar to understand the Bible. This wisdom comes from the Holy Spirit. You can get the Holy Spirit's help too if you are sincerely seeking to be true to Jesus.
The Bible says to come out of Babylon. You should take heed of Bible's warning, friend.
If Christ spoke to me like you do then I would not want anything to do with Him, but He does not.
You risk severe punishment.
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Mat 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Mat 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Mat 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
Mat 18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
Mat 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
LA
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Bah! I am secure in His love, your threatenings are vain. The Lord never spoke to those people in the way that He did, calling them vipers because they left Him alone, He spoke to them like that because they came after Him pretending to be worshippers of the one true God [unitarians if you will] yet when God appeared in their midst, though I have no doubt they could recite large portions of His word, they took up stones to kill Him.
You people do not have a present Christ to vex and persecute so you go after His church.
You neither know or love the Jesus Christ who was sent by the Father but a Christ of your own intellects. If you were lovers of the true Christ we might disagree in many matters but we would have fellowship in the one matter that counts.
Make up your mind Totton.
Was the logos God or Jesus or the word?
You all mixed up friend.
Are you waiting for someone to tell you what you believe?
The son of God has a God. The Son of God tells you that there is ONLY one God.
How can you tell me that the Son of God, who has a God, is God?
Thats just plain silly.
The Son of God became flesh and was among us, not God. God did not become flesh. God is Spirit. He has no hands with nail holes, his son does.
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John's testimony concerning the Logos is unassailable your twisting of it is like a child who when presented with a cat insists on calling it a dog.
A plan did not become flesh and dwell among us but even if you insist in the matter you must still acknowledge that it was Christ, John blocks you out at every point for he says "the same was in the beginning with God" were YOU in the beginning with God? were YOU God? no was any other man? no, but of the Logos, whatever definition you give it, it says He was God....this Logos became flesh and dwelled among us.
Viv W states that the Son of God in the bible is not equivalent to being God but to being God's special agent and commissioner.
In another place he admits that Christ is equal with God but not God.
This is what becomes of trying to understand the bible with our own intellect only and not being anointed of the Holy Spirit to understand it. Even very simple and basic truths are a complete mystery.
These folk war against God and against His Christ and against the Holy Ghost and consequently against His church.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 2nd, 2012, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Totton Linnet
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Bah! I am secure in His love, your threatenings are vain. The Lord never spoke to those people in the way that He did, calling them vipers because they left Him alone, He spoke to them like that because they came after Him pretending to be worshippers of the one true God [unitarians if you will] yet when God appeared in their midst, though I have no doubt they could recite large portions of His word, they took up stones to kill Him.
You people do not have a present Christ to vex and persecute so you go after His church.
You neither know or love the Jesus Christ who was sent by the Father but a Christ of your own intellects. If you were lovers of the true Christ we might disagree in many matters but we would have fellowship in the one matter that counts.
Will you state here and now as I am that you want Jesus Christ to judge between me and thee?
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John's testimony concerning the Logos is unassailable your twisting of it is like a child who when presented with a cat insists on calling it a dog.
A plan did not become flesh and dwell among us but even if you insist in the matter you must still acknowledge that it was Christ, John blocks you out at every point for he says "the same was in the beginning with God" were YOU in the beginning with God? were YOU God? no was any other man? no, but of the Logos, whatever definition you give it, it says He was God....this Logos became flesh and dwelled among us.
Millions disagree with you Totton.
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Logos is the greek plural for legs....keypurr
I told you before that this error was done on a tablet computer that puts words in for you. Legs is not what I typed.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Will you state here and now as I am that you want Jesus Christ to judge between me and thee?
LA
Is that the sum of your thirty + years "discipleship"? do you think you are someone? or Viv w? am I anything but a dead dog? I am on this thread to expose the lie of Viv W and the whole gang of yous and I have exposed it, neither can they answer to it for the lie is brassfaced and blatent.
The reason I have never posted on "Be like God" is not because I couldn't but because I recognise that each person who reads it must decide for themselves and weigh it against the truth, if people will not cling to the bible and cling to the Holy Spirit there is nothing I can help them with.
I met KOINONIA head on because the sheer deceit of it sickened me.
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