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Interesting Arguement - April 30th, 2012, 11:30 AM

I recently stumbled upon an argument against Christianity saying that god does not exist, because the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.

How can a god be both wholly just and merciful, if mercy is the suspension of justice?

It may just be semantics and word play, but an interesting arguement nonetheless. What are your thoughts?





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April 30th, 2012, 11:36 AM

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I recently stumbled upon an argument against Christianity saying that god does not exist, because the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.

How can a god be both wholly just and merciful, if mercy is the suspension of justice?

It may just be semantics and word play, but an interesting arguement nonetheless. What are your thoughts?
Justice and mercy kissed each other in the death of Christ.



   
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April 30th, 2012, 05:44 PM

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the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.
Where is the passage that says God is "all merciful"?





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April 30th, 2012, 06:01 PM

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I recently stumbled upon an argument against Christianity saying that god does not exist, because the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.

How can a god be both wholly just and merciful, if mercy is the suspension of justice?

It may just be semantics and word play, but an interesting arguement nonetheless. What are your thoughts?
Mercy is not the suspension of justice.

The argument falls on that false premise.

If God could suspend justice then He would not have had to die in our place.

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I recently stumbled upon an argument against Christianity saying that god does not exist, because the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.

How can a god be both wholly just and merciful, if mercy is the suspension of justice?

It may just be semantics and word play, but an interesting arguement nonetheless. What are your thoughts?
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

GOD doesn't just turn His head and let us off. He is immutably just and His justice was carried out in punishing our sin on the cross.



   
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Deuteronomy 7:9-10
9Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
10And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.






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May 1st, 2012, 07:38 AM

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I recently stumbled upon an argument against Christianity saying that god does not exist, because the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.

How can a god be both wholly just and merciful, if mercy is the suspension of justice?

It may just be semantics and word play, but an interesting arguement nonetheless. What are your thoughts?


There is NO DARKNESS IN GOD AT ALL ( PERIOD ) --- 1 John 1:5 KJV – “This then is the message which we have HEARD OF HIM, AND DECLARE UNTO YOU, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all”. -------//--- How do you geniuses turn total Light into wrath, evil and DARKNESS!! - You must be truly smart people!!!! ---- GOD IS LIGHT AND THERE IS NO DARKNESS IN HIM “AT ALL”!! --- It’s impossible to be SSOOO foolish!!! – It’s NOT GOD that is the darkness or the vengeance and wrath!! - MAN TURNS THE LIGHT into the WRATH AND VENGEANCE OF GOD – It’s the man that is THE WRATH AND VENGEANCE!! - Didn’t you hear GOD????? --- Matthew 7:1-2 KJV – 1- “Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2- For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, ((( “I-T” / “IT” / “IT” ))) shall be measured to you (( AGAIN ))”. ------//--- GOD SAID TO “LOVE” because He is LOVE, AND MAN SMITES, - and by the Law of God, the man gets SMITTEN!! – It’s the man that turns the love into death, not GOD!!!

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May 1st, 2012, 07:47 AM

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Mercy is not the suspension of justice.

The argument falls on that false premise.

If God could suspend justice then He would not have had to die in our place.

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There is NO DARKNESS IN GOD AT ALL ( PERIOD ) --- 1 John 1:5 KJV – “This then is the message which we have HEARD OF HIM, AND DECLARE UNTO YOU, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all”. -------//--- How do you geniuses turn total Light into wrath, evil and DARKNESS!! - You must be truly smart people!!!! ---- GOD IS LIGHT AND THERE IS NO DARKNESS IN HIM “AT ALL”!! --- It’s impossible to be SSOOO foolish!!! – It’s NOT GOD that is the darkness or the vengeance and wrath!! - MAN TURNS THE LIGHT into the WRATH AND VENGEANCE OF GOD – It’s the man that is THE WRATH AND VENGEANCE!! - Didn’t you hear GOD????? --- Matthew 7:1-2 KJV – 1- “Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2- For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, ((( “I-T” / “IT” / “IT” ))) shall be measured to you (( AGAIN ))”. ------//--- GOD SAID TO “LOVE” because He is LOVE, AND MAN SMITES, - and by the Law of God, the man gets SMITTEN!! – It’s the man that turns the love into death, not GOD!!!

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May 1st, 2012, 05:06 PM

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I recently stumbled upon an argument against Christianity saying that god does not exist, because the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.

How can a god be both wholly just and merciful, if mercy is the suspension of justice?

It may just be semantics and word play, but an interesting arguement nonetheless. What are your thoughts?
Justice demands a price. Jesus paid the price for those on whom God has mercy. Everybody else pays it on their own. There is no suspension.



   
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Jesus was talking to hypocrites in the "do not judge" passage. To everyone else He says...
John 7:24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
Resting in Him,
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I recently stumbled upon an argument against Christianity saying that god does not exist, because the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.

How can a god be both wholly just and merciful, if mercy is the suspension of justice?

It may just be semantics and word play, but an interesting arguement nonetheless. What are your thoughts?
Scriptures do not describe God as all merciful.

He is rich in mercy, not all merciful.

Ephesians 2:4

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I recently stumbled upon an argument against Christianity saying that god does not exist, because the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.

How can a god be both wholly just and merciful, if mercy is the suspension of justice?

It may just be semantics and word play, but an interesting arguement nonetheless. What are your thoughts?
Isn't it Allah, the one who is all merciful? You know - the one who kills businessmen in towers and flogs women who let their veils slip a few inches too far?





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I recently stumbled upon an argument against Christianity saying that god does not exist, because the bible describes him as all merciful and completely Just.

How can a god be both wholly just and merciful, if mercy is the suspension of justice?

It may just be semantics and word play, but an interesting arguement nonetheless. What are your thoughts?
I have a thread about mercy and justice being mutually exclusive. I believe they are.

I don't believe this is a good argument against the Christian God though.





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Justice demands a price. Jesus paid the price for those on whom God has mercy. Everybody else pays it on their own. There is no suspension.
Forgiveness and mercy wipes the price away, not charge it to someone else.





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