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Didn't miss it at all. You were trying to weasel-word your racist ideology and make it look palatable.
Eh? What "racist ideology" exactly am I supposedly trying to 'promote' Frank?

The fact that the term when often used between blacks carries a whole different context and intent than an ethnic slur ain't something I'm 'making up' doofus. Do a google search. I've zero tolerance for mindless racism whether it's whites to blacks, blacks to whites, indigo to mauve or anything else.






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Where shall I start?

How about Hitler's HATRED of Christianity?
His religious beliefs aren't relevant where it comes to his political leanings doofus. I know it doesn't compute in 'Connie World' but not all atheists/agnostics/believers in other religions etc are 'left wing' by default. I doubt many from any political persuasion would consider Hitler to reflect the tenets of Christianity in any shape or form.



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http://www.thepinkswastika.com/
It would be a surprise if you didn't bring it up given your morbid obsession with gays but then of course you're selective in what you'll use....

Hitler also sent a great number of gay men to concentration camps during the Holocaust.Jonathan Zimmerman, a historian at New York University, points out that "Between 1933 and 1945, the Nazis arrested roughly 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most convicted gays were sent to prison; between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps, where they wore pink triangles to signify their supposed crime."[3] Gay men suffered unusually cruel treatment in the concentration camps. Nazi doctors often used gay men for scientific experiments in an attempt to locate a "gay gene" to "cure" any future Aryan children who were gay. A study by Rüdiger Lautmann found that 60% of gay men in concentration camps died, as compared to 41% for political prisoners and 35% for Jehovah's Witnesses. The study also shows that survival rates for gay men were slightly higher for internees from the middle and upper classes and for married bisexual men and those with children. [4] See pink triangle and Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Adolf_Hitler

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/hsx/

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/homosexuals/

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Sounds pretty left wing to me Arthur.
Yeh, about as 'liberal' as wanting to persecute homosexuals and execute em' Connie....






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I suppose you'd have to define the political spectrum in order for us to know what your definition of "right wing" is (in today's terminology, it has a lot to do with Christianity, which Hitler abhorred).

You'll also need to define fascism to make your point.

Right wing and fascism are just words used by the left wing media to try and deflect the fact that Hitler believed in much of their philosophy. Address my two posts (#199 and #205) and tell me what's "right wing" about Hitler.
If Hitler was "left wing" then why did he abhor communism and Marxism so much? Political labels have zero to do with Christianity in itself also. Hitler/Nazism persecuted people based on sexuality/race/creed/disability etc etc. That's not to say that left wing extremism is any the better. The sooner you accept that fascist dictatorship is the evil then the sooner you'd start making sense.





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If Hitler was "left wing" then why did he abhor communism and Marxism so much? Political labels have zero to do with Christianity in itself also. Hitler/Nazism persecuted people based on sexuality/race/creed/disability etc etc. That's not to say that left wing extremism is any the better. The sooner you accept that fascist dictatorship is the evil then the sooner you'd start making sense.
Ok AB, you obviously have a hard time with dictionary words, so I will ask. Since fascism to you is entirely right wing, A. exactly how does fascism work? B. As compared to communism and Socialism? C. What is a left-wing type ideology and how does it work, also right wing ideology?

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Fascism is neither left nor right. It is very closely coupled to a number of doctrines on how society should be governed. It has ties to Julius Caesar as well as to the Israelite doctrines of a chosen people and purity of race. The basic construct is that a dictator ruling with absolute authority running the economy through the economic elite can best advance the people but cleansing the masses of misfits and undesirables is very important because those are a burden on the pure race.

This is not new. It is the ancient battle of belial against the followers of the law of one. Which is good and which is bad depends on which principles you adhere to.



   
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Ok AB, you obviously have a hard time with dictionary words, so I will ask. Since fascism to you is entirely right wing, A. exactly how does fascism work? B. As compared to communism and Socialism? C. What is a left-wing type ideology and how does it work, also right wing ideology?

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It seems you have the more difficulty with reading what people write Doc, unless you can point out where I've stated fascism or totalitarianism even is exclusively the realm of the 'right wing?' In case you hadn't noticed I'm against extremist dictatorship ideologies of any sort so left wing/right wing ain't something I'm gonna endorse. I'm not a 'communist' and I'm not a 'capitalist' either if that makes it any easier for you. All I did was show how Hitler could hardly be described as a 'left winger'. You don't like that then suck it up. Not my problem.


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May 3rd, 2012, 10:05 PM

Hmmmmm, what did Hitler say,

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

Seems pretty left there.

What else did he say,

"Of what importance is all that, if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."

Pretty left there too. As a side note, sounds familiar in these times. Just look around.





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Hmmmmm, what did Hitler say,

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

Seems pretty left there.

What else did he say,

"Of what importance is all that, if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."

Pretty left there too. As a side note, sounds familiar in these times. Just look around.
Links? Context? Political ends? For Pete's sake Doc I gave you a handful of pages where you can research this stuff easily enough. This is all ya got? You do know he was an infiltrator right?

Cite your sources as I do dude.





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Hmmmmm, what did Hitler say,

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

Seems pretty left there.

What else did he say,

"Of what importance is all that, if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."

Pretty left there too. As a side note, sounds familiar in these times. Just look around.
Hitler said plenty of things, many that contradicted one another.





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I suppose you'd have to define the political spectrum in order for us to know what your definition of "right wing" is (in today's terminology, it has a lot to do with Christianity, which Hitler abhorred).

You'll also need to define fascism to make your point.

Right wing and fascism are just words used by the left wing media to try and deflect the fact that Hitler believed in much of their philosophy. Address my two posts (#199 and #205) and tell me what's "right wing" about Hitler.

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If Hitler was "left wing" then why did he abhor communism and Marxism so much?
Totalitarians hate competition.

In Hitler's own words:

"Socialism,” he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, “is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists."
http://benatlas.com/2011/04/hitler-o...m-and-marxism/

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Say's who? Totalitarians hate Christianity because they think as themselves as god and hate it when they're not worshipped by all.

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Fascist's are totalitarian just as are communists/Marxists.

But I've made my point:

Hitler hated Christianity, which is the basis for freedom.
Hilter used sexual degenerates to do much of his murdering (and to think we've allowed them into the US military)
Hitler was a socialist that wanted the state to redistribute the wealth.

How much more left can one become Arthur?





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Then they're not really Christians are they GM? God created us all in His image; that's not to say that all cultures are equal though.



   
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His religious beliefs aren't relevant where it comes to his political leanings doofus. I know it doesn't compute in 'Connie World' but not all atheists/agnostics/believers in other religions etc are 'left wing' by default. I doubt many from any political persuasion would consider Hitler to reflect the tenets of Christianity in any shape or form.





It would be a surprise if you didn't bring it up given your morbid obsession with gays but then of course you're selective in what you'll use....

Hitler also sent a great number of gay men to concentration camps during the Holocaust.Jonathan Zimmerman, a historian at New York University, points out that "Between 1933 and 1945, the Nazis arrested roughly 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most convicted gays were sent to prison; between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps, where they wore pink triangles to signify their supposed crime."[3] Gay men suffered unusually cruel treatment in the concentration camps. Nazi doctors often used gay men for scientific experiments in an attempt to locate a "gay gene" to "cure" any future Aryan children who were gay. A study by Rüdiger Lautmann found that 60% of gay men in concentration camps died, as compared to 41% for political prisoners and 35% for Jehovah's Witnesses. The study also shows that survival rates for gay men were slightly higher for internees from the middle and upper classes and for married bisexual men and those with children. [4] See pink triangle and Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Adolf_Hitler

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/hsx/

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/homosexuals/



Yeh, about as 'liberal' as wanting to persecute homosexuals and execute em' Connie....

That's all been addressed in Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams "The Pink Swastika" Arthur:

"THE PERSECUTION OF HOMOSEXUALS

Homosexualist revisionists assert that Hitler’s ascension to the Chancellorship marked the beginning of a homosexual Holocaust in Germany. For example, as early as 1978, homosexual political activists claimed that “[m]any thousands and hundreds of thousands [of homosexuals] were...imprisoned in concentration camps where they died” (ONE Letter, May, 1978). Over the years the story has assumed ever more fantastic proportions. In 1986 Plant wrote, “After years of frustration...Hitler’s storm troopers now had the opportunity to smash their enemies: the lame, the mute, the feebleminded, the epileptic, the homosexual, the Jew, the Gypsy, the Communist. These were the scapegoats singled out for persecution. These were the ‘contragenics’ who were to be ruthlessly eliminated to ensure the purity of the ‘Aryan race.’” (Plant:51). Rector writes, “Hitler’s homophobia did not surface until 1933-1934, when gays had come to affect adversely his New Order designs -- out of which grew the simple solution of murdering them en masse” (Rector:24).
Unsupported assertions such as these have allowed the theory of a “Gay Holocaust” (in which homosexuals are portrayed alongside the Jews as victims of a campaign of extermination) to gain currency in the United States. The evidence does not support this theory. Unfortunately, the portrayal of homosexuals as Nazi victims has assumed a kind of “untouchable” status among supporters of “gay rights,” probably because the success of the movement depends so heavily on public sympathy. Thus, today we see active suppression of information linking homosexuals to the Nazis and misrepresentation of homosexuals’ experience in the Third Reich. A few “gay” academics are more forthright. For example, homosexualist scholar Manfred Herzer admits:


178 The Persecution of Homosexuals


As far as the scope of homosexual men’s support of the Nazis is concerned, we face a self-imposed void in our knowledge that has taken on the dimensions of an ideologically motivated taboo. Within gay historiography, even such a repugnant figure as the Nazi leader Ernst Roehm has repeatedly been consigned to the role of victim, first of leftist and then of Nazi “homophobia,” for only by doing so has it been possible to perpetuate a slanted account of history that persistently portrays homosexuals as persecuted martyrs and passive victims (Herzer:199).

Homosexualists Johansson and Percy promote the use of “outing” (exposing public figures, past and present as “gay”) to influence public opinion about homosexuality and the “gay” agenda. They advise that “[a]ctivists should clearly not out a notorious criminal or mass murderer as they would a famed medical missionary or celebrated inventor” (Johansson and Percy:284). They acknowledge that “[a]pologists generally prefer to deny that homosexuality was widespread among Nazi leaders after the purge of Roehm and his associates....[although Italian “gay” activist] Massimo Consoli has reversed this tendency by dwelling at length on the homosexuality of the early followers of the NSDAP (National Socialist Party). (Consoli is, however, a leading proponent of the “Gay Holocaust” public relations ploy -- Grau:5).
Then we have the problem of simple error in claims such as that made by homosexualist Claudia Schoppmann. She has claimed that German “gay rights” leader Martin Radszuweit was murdered in a concentration camp (Herzer:226). Herzer states authoritatively that Radszuweit did not die in a concentration camp: “...he died in the 1980s in his house in Berlin-Kopenick” (ibid.:226).
The Harvard Gay and Lesbian Review (Summer 1995) contains an admirably candid review of the book Hidden Holocaust? by Gunter Grau (in which Schoppmann was a minor contributor):


THE PINK SWASTIKA 179


Grau and Schoppman conclude that there was no “holocaust” of gays — hence the question mark in the book’s title. This assessment is based on the wide range of contemporary documents...Grau discounts the current wild estimates of the number of gays killed by the Nazis, suggesting a figure closer to 5,000...How, then are we to read the widely quoted incendiary statements by Nazis like SS leader Himmler, who consistently called for the ‘eradication’ of homosexuals?...Much of this rhetoric, Grau says, was propaganda meant for public consumption... Gays were never the subject of pogroms, and never faced the danger that the Jews did in Germany and occupied Europe.


180 The Persecution of Homosexuals

Dr. Judith Reisman, in “The Pink Swastika and Holocaust Revisionist History,” wrote this comparison of the fate of the two groups under the Nazis:

Were homosexuals treated like Jews, 2-3 million out of 2-3 million German homosexuals should have lost their businesses, their jobs, their property, their possessions and most would have lost their lives. Homosexuals would have been forced to wear pink triangles on their clothing in the streets, they would have had their passports stamped with an “H,” been barred from travel, work, shopping, public appearances without their armbands, and we would have thousands of pictures of pink triangle graffiti saying “kill the faggots,” and the like. If German homosexuals were not Nazis, these 2-3 million men would have been homeless, walled in ghettos, worked as a mass labor pool, then gassed and their abuse recorded in graphic detail, as were the millions of Jews. And, if Germany’s several million “gays” were not Nazi victims, they were Nazi soldiers, collaborators or murderers (Reisman:Culture Wars, April 1996).
http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/...on_-_final.htm

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Eh? What "racist ideology" exactly am I supposedly trying to 'promote' Frank?
Exactly the same one used here in the States by black racist/supremacist ideologues.

To wit: e.g.,
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The fact that the term when often used between blacks carries a whole different context and intent than an ethnic slur ain't something I'm 'making up' doofus.
Yes, it is a made-up doofus argument.
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Thanks, but I have already found a google.
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I've zero tolerance for mindless racism whether it's whites to blacks, blacks to whites, indigo to mauve or anything else.

And yet you have some mindless "need" to keep defending yourself and accusing others.

Let us put the shoe on the other foot. I am white. If I call my best friend, who is also white, a "cracker", that's ok. If a black man calls my best friend a "cracker", that's mindless racism, correct?






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