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Jesus is the only sinless man. Adam sinned. He was with God in the beginning. I don't believe that He was created
True Adam sinned. But he was the only other human beside Jesus that was sinless at any time.
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Speaking of Jesus;
Colossians 1:16-19
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
You left out this verse friend:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Most think firstborn means first in rank, that is one correct meaning, but it also could mean that he is the first of creation. God created an IMAGE of himself to help in the creation. That is not a far fetch assesment. If Jesus did not have a God I would not think this way, but he does. Having a God means that your not God. Jesus came as a servant of his Father, not as his Father. He was a FORM of God, a spiritual being who had godlike features. This being was put into Jesus that is why he could say that he was the I AM.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Heb 1:3 who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the word of His power, through Himself cleansing of our sins, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:8 But to the Son He[GOD] says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Esp. v.8 You throw it away. It honestly seems to me, it is garbage to you.
I see no conflict Lon. Even King David was called a God, Lord. I see Jesus as a creation, the first creation. He was made in the IMAGE of his God. God was happy that Jesus had the fullmess of his glory. But Jesus still has a God he is subjected to.
Give it some thought and compare it with NT verses that tell you that Jesus and God are two beings.
Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
True Adam sinned. But he was the only other human beside Jesus that was sinless at any time.
You left out this verse friend:
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Most think firstborn means first in rank, that is one correct meaning, but it also could mean that he is the first of creation. God created an IMAGE of himself to help in the creation. That is not a far fetch assesment. If Jesus did not have a God I would not think this way, but he does. Having a God means that your not God. Jesus came as a servant of his Father, not as his Father. He was a FORM of God, a spiritual being who had godlike features. This being was put into Jesus that is why he could say that he was the I AM.
That is grasping at straws when you consider the context of verses 15-20.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
We have already showed you that Thomas confessed Jesus as His Lord and His God even after Jesus said "My Father and my God." Thomas did not draw your inference. Guildenstern tried to explain Thomas's confession away but Lon and I destroyed his freak Greek - especially Lon.
Jesus is "THE GLORY."
"My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, THE GLORY, with partiality." James 2:1
Jesus is "THE GLORY." He is NOT less than the Father.
You post half truths and a half truth is a FULL lie!
WHY DO YOU SHUN AWAY FROM THE QUESTION I ASKED?
DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD?
All I want is a YES or NO answer.
Are you finally seeing that you have two Gods?
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
That is grasping at straws when you consider the context of verses 15-20.
That may be so friend, but I have other reasons why I think this may be so. It goes back to the morning stars I was looking at and who were the sons of God in the first booki of Job? We know Satan was there. Live dangeriously friend, open up to new ideas.
Only God is eternal. God does not have a God, he IS God.
He created his image, morph or form, whatever yu wish to call it.
That image was what God used to create everything else. The creation was done THROUGH THAT SPIRITUAL IMAGE.
Just think about NT scripture and apply these thoughts to it. What was Jesus before this world was made? God made all through Jesus.
Whe the time came for the savour to come into this world his spirit was given to Mary. Sin is carried by the blood line, that is what I heard. Since God was the father of Jesus, he was sinless. But he had to be human to be the Lamb of God, the sacrifice. If he was fully God, he could not die. God put the spirit into him at his baptism and took it away on the cross. Just before he died.
Now he has the glory that he had before, he is Lord of all creation. But don't forget that it was HIS GOD who made him Lord.
Peace my friend
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
He deserves it Apple, his father says so. He helped in the creation, he became man and died for your sins. His God says to worship him for he is your Lord.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
You are way too old to pretend nothing was said....or are you in the 'reverting back to childhood stage' of your life....
No you have not.
I asked for a simple YES or NO answer. I did not get it.
You stray from the question, your afraid it might get you to think differently friend.
THE FACTS ARE THAT JESUS HAS A GOD.
So he cannot be God, he is the image of God that created for him.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
He was made in the IMAGE of his God. God was happy that Jesus had the fullmess of his glory. But Jesus still has a God he is subjected to.
Give it some thought and compare it with NT verses that tell you that Jesus and God are two beings.
Peace
Of course they are two beings. I often don't know whether you understand the word triune or not. You even say it yourself here:He was made in the IMAGE of his God. God was happy that Jesus had the fullmess of his glory.
You know that an exact image is a copy? Like in Clone? I have no problem with you saying Jesus is subordinate to the Father.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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I asked for a simple YES or NO answer. I did not get it.
You stray from the question, your afraid it might get you to think differently friend.
THE FACTS ARE THAT JESUS HAS A GOD.
So he cannot be God, he is the image of God that created for him.
That isn't a yes or no question though, because you already went ahead and answered it. Yes Jesus has a God. Why? Because He has a Father and the Father is God. Therefore "God said to my God...."
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 5th, 2012, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Apple7
No.
Merely pointing-out the double standard used by uni's.
What part of this definition of what the 'Trinity' is
“There is one, only and true God, but in the unity of the Godhead there are three coeternal and coequal Persons, the same in substance but distinct in subsistence.”
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
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