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Lazy afternoon · May 5th, 2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SaulToPaul

Yes, well reasoned and scriptural.

Trumpet believes he is a spiritual Israelite, a priest, and a king. He perverts the gospel. If I believed that, I'd think I was the church of God, too.

Under what covenant did you receive the Holy Spirit , if you did?

LA

oatmeal · May 5th, 2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Trumpetfolker

That should be easy enough. What is the church of God?

Those who answered God's call.

Ekklesia means called out.

God called out, some answered.

oatmeal

Trumpetfolker · May 5th, 2012, 06:58 PM

STP,
You would make me look crazier if you told the truth about my believed connection to Israel. "Spiritual Israelite" is a term that is quite easy to misunderstand.
Precisely, I believe I am one of the descendants of the Israelites scattered among all the nations which God predestinated to save, and, in which God, in His grace, wisdom, knowledge, power, and faithfulness, has kept His promise to the fathers, finding me, saving me, and making me spiritual by the blood of His dear Son and the Words His Son spoke.

Lazy afternoon · May 5th, 2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Trumpetfolker

STP,
You would make me look crazier if you told the truth about my believed connection to Israel. "Spiritual Israelite" is a term that is quite easy to misunderstand.
Precisely, I believe I am one of the descendants of the Israelites scattered among all the nations which God predestinated to save, and, in which God, in His grace, wisdom, knowledge, power, and faithfulness, has kept His promise to the fathers, finding me, saving me, and making me spiritual by the blood of His dear Son and the Words His Son spoke.

I do not doubt that because of Ephraim and Manasseh but one can still be spiritual Israel from any ancestry.--

Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

ThePresbyteers · 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by oatmeal

...God called out, some answered....

That's so random.

So God gambles?

Trumpetfolker · May 6th, 2012, 09:44 AM

STP,
How could you know the gospel Paul preached and reject the words which Paul wrote to you from Jesus?

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1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

To be nourished up in the the words of faith and of good doctrine, it is necessary to put the brethren in remembrance of the things Paul wrote Timothy. Those things tie into everything Timothy learned from Paul while he was with Paul in Corinth that first time and when he was with Paul while Paul wrote 2 Corinthians.
According to Paul's words, you are the one of those who's faith has been overthrown by the teachers whose conjecturing you, now, espouse.

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2 Tim 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

2 Tim 2:14 ¶ Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

2 Tim 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Your teachers make the words of Paul less and less relevant- not more so.

tetelestai · May 6th, 2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Trumpetfolker

Your teachers make the words of Paul less and less relevant- not more so.

STP and heir are only interested in the teachings of E.W. Bullinger and other dispensationalists.

They desperately attempt to make the Bible fit the false teachings of the men they follow, instead of reading and believing the Bible.

They deny that the "church of God" is the Body of Christ:

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Originally Posted by heir

"The church of God" IS NOT the Body of Christ!

There is ONE Body and ONE church

(Col 1:24 KJV) Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

As we see above, the KJV clearly says "the church". If there were more than one church, it wouldn't say "the church".

keypurr · May 6th, 2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Trumpetfolker

That should be easy enough. What is the church of God?

I and folks like me, who love God and accept Jesus as his son are the church of God.

Bradley D · May 7th, 2012, 01:29 AM

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20) --that is the Church.

I can sit in my kitchen with one or more Christians and have a meeting. We can pray, sing, have a Bible study, etc. We can go from that kitchen out into the world and do that which God wants us to do.