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II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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May 5th, 2012, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lifeisgood
WOW! There is nothing blinder than a man that chooses not to see.
Oatmeal and Lazy Afternoon, thank you for reminding me that there are people who are blinder spiritually than a man that has no eyes to see. I had forgotten that. Again, thank you.
Your welcome, when you open your eyes, and actually read scripture than you will see.
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 5th, 2012, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lifeisgood
WOW! There is nothing blinder than a man that chooses not to see.
Oatmeal and Lazy Afternoon, thank you for reminding me that there are people who are blinder spiritually than a man that has no eyes to see. I had forgotten that. Again, thank you.
You reveal that you truly do deny Jesus is a resurrected man.
Act 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Act 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Act 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Act 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Act 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked:
If the Father is Almighty then why did He have a Son?
Use your head, pops...
You said Jesus is the almighty.
I asked then why/how he would have a God?
He has a God Apple7 so he cannot be the almighty.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Thats easy. To be the savour of the world. It took a perfect sinless man to do the Job. Only God could provide that. And since God can not die, he sent his son.
Now back to the original question,
If Jesus is the almighty, why does he have a God?
I will give you the answer, Jesus is NOT the almighty.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
Rev 1:7,8 I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
Oops
Then why does he have a God?
I suppose in a sense they are both Alpha and Omega if one is a copy of the other. Yet, Jesus has a God??????????
We know that his God made him Lord. If he was the Most Holy he would be God, not have one.
Maybe we should take a longer look at the verse.
We could not be seeing what it means.
But I will do that later, its past my bedtime here.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Rev 1:7,8 I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
Oops
Lon, is it possiable that in the red letter edition that verse 8 is God speaking and then in verse 11 it is Jesus. Take into consideration verse 12
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
He turned to see the voice that spake to him.
Just a thought, look at it that way and see if it makes sense to you.
Good Nite
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
The rest of the First/Last, Beginning/End, Alpha/Omega verses in Isaiah and Revelation give the same title of eternality to Jesus. This is proof of His Deity whether Rev. 1:8 is Jesus or the Father (debatable).
Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)
They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")
I suppose in a sense they are both Alpha and Omega if one is a copy of the other. Yet, Jesus has a God??????????
I agree. It is a great question. Here is my answer: I don't exactly know but whatever I come up with cannot trounce or neglect other scripture.
As I said before, I agree with quite a bit. The problem is, I agree with modalists on the other half of what you and I disagree on.
I'll try to make a point below.
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Originally Posted by keypurr
We know that his God made him Lord. If he was the Most Holy he would be God, not have one.
Even 'if' I said 'yes' (or no) I'd be guessing with you. I'm trying to simply believe what I'm reading in the whole bible.
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Originally Posted by keypurr
Maybe we should take a longer look at the verse.
We could not be seeing what it means.
But I will do that later, its past my bedtime here.
G'night.
Two scripture ideas (among others but just these 2 for the moment):
1) God is only one - Isaiah 42&46
2) Thomas calls Jesus "Lord and God." -John 20
Three separate views:
a) 1 & 2 are correct: therefore Jesus is the same as God the Father
b) 1 & 2 are correct: therefore somehow, both are true
c) 1 is correct: therefore #2 isn't talking about Jesus
The three above come to a 'therefore' conclusion:
Q1 Which of the above is not a logical conclusion (trick question)? Q2 Which of the above is the least developed conclusion? Q3 Which of the above is the most developed? Q4 Which one of the above is the 'safest' conclusion? 5 List ways two are the same and the other different between:
1&2 against 3
1&3 against 2
2&3 against 1
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
The rest of the First/Last, Beginning/End, Alpha/Omega verses in Isaiah and Revelation give the same title of eternality to Jesus. This is proof of His Deity whether Rev. 1:8 is Jesus or the Father (debatable).
I believe, because of the mentions of Isaiah and other passages, that it makes Revelation 1 less than 'debatable.' So GR and I would disagree on that point. I don't see much to debate.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
Thats easy. To be the savour of the world. It took a perfect sinless man to do the Job. Only God could provide that. And since God can not die, he sent his son.
Now back to the original question,
If Jesus is the almighty, why does he have a God?
I will give you the answer, Jesus is NOT the almighty.
Then why is He called that?
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
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