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That isn't a yes or no question though, because you already went ahead and answered it. Yes Jesus has a God. Why? Because He has a Father and the Father is God. Therefore "God said to my God...."
Now we have to determine who "my God" is that God was talking to.
To some money or church is their God.
It seems to me that the Father made a god, for he gave him all power and authority. But this god still has a God, his father.
Believing that Jesus has a God and that all the power Jesus has came from his God, even if God declared him as a God, he would still have a God.
Is Jesus Lord of all or God of all? I believe he is Lord and his Father is God (most holy)
What it boils down to Lon is that Christ still has a God. There is only one God, his Father.
Peace friend
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
What part of this definition of what the 'Trinity' is
“There is one, only and true God, but in the unity of the Godhead there are three coeternal and coequal Persons, the same in substance but distinct in subsistence.”
does not make sense to uni's?
The trinity does not make any sense. I was a trin and now I wonder why it took me so long to see it as Satan's fable. There is no equality, all power that the son has comes from the Father, his God.
Jesus is not the same substance as the Father, he is a copy, image. Being an image of God, that makes him a created being. Not coeternal.
The creed is in error friend. Either the creed is wrong of the Bible. I will stick with scripture.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Of course they are two beings. I often don't know whether you understand the word triune or not. You even say it yourself here:He was made in the IMAGE of his God. God was happy that Jesus had the fullmess of his glory.
You know that an exact image is a copy? Like in Clone? I have no problem with you saying Jesus is subordinate to the Father.
Copy, clone, image or morph. They are all CREATIONS. Created by the original.
Only the Father is eternal, everything else is a creation.
My theories are far fetched. But I believe that I have been given these thoughts from my God. I may be way off base, but the joy that I feel from him makes me quiver. For a long time I have prayed for understanding, I think that I have been given it. I share it with all who may be interested, judge it for what you think it is worth. Don't let tradition close you mind to God's words.
Peace
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
The trinity does not make any sense. I was a trin and now I wonder why it took me so long to see it as Satan's fable. There is no equality, all power that the son has comes from the Father, his God.
Jesus is not the same substance as the Father, he is a copy, image. Being an image of God, that makes him a created being. Not coeternal.
The creed is in error friend. Either the creed is wrong of the Bible. I will stick with scripture.
It could be that it took Satan a long time to change your mind.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
It could be that it took Satan a long time to change your mind.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Now read it on the NASV.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 5th, 2012, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bright Raven
Philippians 2:6
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
The only time Jesus existed in the form of God was after His birth and even then He was not fully so until His baptism and indwelling by the Holy Spirit of His Father who is the only true God.
The only time Jesus existed in the form of God was after His birth and even then He was not fully so until His baptism and indwelling by the Holy Spirit of His Father who is the only true God.
LA
Says you, scripture says different.
1John 1:1-2
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
The only time Jesus existed in the form of God was after His birth and even then He was not fully so until His baptism and indwelling by the Holy Spirit of His Father who is the only true God.
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
I have no problem with this verse.
But Jesus did not come imto exsistance until Mary gave birth to him. So the verse is talking about the spirit that was IN him. This same spirit that God used to create with.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Apple I do not know all the Hebrew terms used in the OT. But I am sure that the spirit that was in Christ was involved in the OT.
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Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 5th, 2012, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
The trinity does not make any sense. I was a trin and now I wonder why it took me so long to see it as Satan's fable. There is no equality, all power that the son has comes from the Father, his God.
Jesus is not the same substance as the Father, he is a copy, image. Being an image of God, that makes him a created being. Not coeternal.
The creed is in error friend. Either the creed is wrong of the Bible. I will stick with scripture.
Keypurr, I would have much more respect for someone who says in response to a theme they disagree with, "You know what, I choose not to believe that." I would respect that. That would be an honest answer.
Now, you do not want to believe in the trinity? OK with me.
Go tell God that you do not believe what He so clearly laid out on His Word, the Bible, don't tell me --- my autograph is no where to be found in the Bible.
You have any complaints about the Book, I would suggest that you go take your complaints to the Author of the Book.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 5th, 2012, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bright Raven
because I am a son, a father and a grandfather does that make me three people?
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
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