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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 6th, 2012, 04:59 PM
When all of us are in the presence of Jesus and every knee is bowed to Him some day, and all of us are in His presence, I would like to ask God the Father, in the Name of God the Son, with the help of God the Spirit to permit me to see Jesus' reaction when He is told FACE-TO-FACE like some on these forum attest:
'YOU ARE NOT GOD.'
'YOU'RE JUST A MAN.'
'YOU HAVE A GOD.'
'NO, YOUR WORD DOES NOT SAY THAT YOU ARE GOD. IT ONLY SAYS YOU ARE AN IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE.'
'YOUR WORD ONLY SAYS THAT YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD, THEREFORE, YOU ARE NOT GOD.'
'THERE IS NOT ONE VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAID FOR ME TO TALK TO YOU.'
'JESUS IS NOT THE ALMIGHTY.'
I pray that God will be as merciful then, as He is merciful to all of us now.
Wouldn't it be interesting to see though, what God the Son says?
Last edited by lifeisgood; May 6th, 2012 at 07:30 PM.
When all of us are in the presence of Jesus and every knee is bowed to Him some day, and all of us are in His presence, I would like to ask God the Father, in the Name of God the Son, with the help of God the Spirit to permit me to see Jesus' reaction when He is told FACE-TO-FACE:
'YOU ARE NOT GOD.'
'YOU HAVE A GOD.'
'NO, YOUR WORD DOES NOT SAY THAT YOU ARE GOD. IT ONLY SAYS YOU ARE AN IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE.'
'YOUR WORD ONLY SAYS THAT YOU ARE THE SON OF GOD, THEREFORE, YOU ARE NOT GOD.'
'THERE IS NOT ONE VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT SAID FOR ME TO TALK TO YOU.'
I pray that God will be as merciful then, as He is merciful to all of us now.
Wouldn't it be interesting to see though, what God the Son says?
John wrote his epistle to give Christ's people the confidence to petition Jesus in prayer.
"13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in HIM, that if we ask anything according to HE will, HE hears us. 15 And if we know that HE hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of HIM."
Believing in the name of the Son of God (vs. 13) expresses itself in the confidence to petition HIM in prayer expecting that HE will grant your petition if your petition is in accordance with HIS will.
Those who don't talk to Jesus do not believe in His name (authority). To not believe in His name (authority) is to be damned. So those who do not talk to Jesus don't need to think about what they will say to Him when they get there because they won't get there.
Slogan/motto:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 6th, 2012, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote
John wrote his epistle to give Christ's people the confidence to petition Jesus in prayer.
"13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
14 Now this is the confidence that we have in HIM, that if we ask anything according to HE will, HE hears us. 15 And if we know that HE hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of HIM."
Believing in the name of the Son of God (vs. 13) expresses itself in the confidence to petition HIM in prayer expecting that HE will grant your petition if your petition is in accordance with HIS will.
Those who don't talk to Jesus do not believe in His name (authority). To not believe in His name (authority) is to be damned. So those who do not talk to Jesus don't need to think about what they will say to Him when they get there because they won't get there.
They will NEVER see Him!
I agree. It was only that as I was re-reading some posts a deep sadness came over me to think that people who say they are Christians could say such hurtful things of Christ .
There shouldn't be anyone 'concerned' about non-trinitarians except for Catholics, because Protestants threw away 95% of all other traditions, keeping the trinity to necessitate for it's convenient understanding of God's three acts of deliverance.
You made that up. Both in doctrine and traditions, we still observe quite a bit in common and only (10% not). It is you that rejects 95%. That's all you.
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You mean, trinitarians didn't have the man power to force upon others. Such 'orthodoxy' was enforced with fines, torture, or worse. The trinity concept is convincing on the surface and many people accept it.
You have had over 500 years now, to change people's minds. How is that working out for you?
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You have met an intelligent Arian, you just don't find them to be intelligent because they disagree with your concept.
Nothing but irony in your statement. Denial is a powerful entity.
And what were your actual English and foreign language grades? Prove me wrong.
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That's only natural, to an extent. They don't, however, go *metaphorically* (once literal) tie people to a stake and light a torch. Can't say that much for trinitarians, not in the slightest.
500 years. You are crying about spilt milk. What have your crowd been doing the last 500 years? Next you are going to blame me personally for slavery. There aren't any slaves or slave owners today, just fyi.
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I'm in the adult world. I've always been more then willing to discuss the trinity in detail., it is you trinitarians who time and time again turn it into a crusade. This entire thread, from the get go, is gigantic trinitarian crusade. No discussion, just finger pointing and asinine conjectures.
But patience can sometimes run out, and sometimes a less then humble statement has to be made to counteract that montage of absurdity.
There are lots of anti-trinitarian websites. You chose and still choose to be here, disruptive as you may be...
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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I'm in the adult world. I've always been more then willing to discuss the trinity in detail., it is you trinitarians who time and time again turn it into a crusade.
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Trinitarians think?
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Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj
No discussion, just finger pointing and asinine conjectures.
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Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj
Trinitarians think?
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Originally Posted by Sum1sGruj
But patience can sometimes run out, and sometimes a less then humble statement has to be made to counteract that montage of absurdity.
Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, forever. Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. But when I became an adult, I set aside childish ways. - Let's at least work at it?
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Separation of church and State is not atheism "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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May 6th, 2012, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Lon
You made that up. Both in doctrine and traditions, we still observe quite a bit in common and only (10% not). It is you that rejects 95%. That's all you.
You have had over 500 years now, to change people's minds. How is that working out for you?
And what were your actual English and foreign language grades? Prove me wrong.
500 years. You are crying about spilt milk. What have your crowd been doing the last 500 years? Next you are going to blame me personally for slavery. There aren't any slaves or slave owners today, just fyi.
Succinctly said.
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There are lots of anti-trinitarian websites. You chose and still choose to be here, disruptive as you may be...
Let's pray that it is because he hears something that touches his spirit, if not his mind and heart yet, and that God will be merciful and make what his spirit hears reach up to his mind and heart.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 6th, 2012, 07:29 PM
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We would say that it is you who do just that!
Honor the Son equally with the Father!
I honor the son as I honor the Father, but I am not adding to Gods word by say Jesus is a God/ man and is God incarnated when the Bible does not say that.
You can say I add to Gods word but it is I who quotes Gods word and it is you who adds to it.
I honor the son as I honor the Father, but I am not adding to Gods word by say Jesus is a God/ man and is God incarnated when the Bible does not say that.
You can say I add to Gods word but it is I who quotes Gods word and it is you who adds to it.
Do not lie now.
LA
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 6th, 2012, 08:10 PM
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Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Is that your only answer to the fact that you add to Gods word to describe Jesus and how God raised up a man in His own image.
First you lie about what I believe then you will not answer the charge that you add to bible words.
It is obvious that you have never seen Christ or you would know that the bible description of Him is true and sufficent.
Is that your only answer to the fact that you add to Gods word to describe Jesus and how God raised up a man in His own image.
First you lie about what I believe then you will not answer the charge that you add to bible words.
It is obvious that you have never seen Christ or you would know that the bible description of Him is true and sufficent.
Shame upon you.
LA
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
How can you give the same honour to the Son as you give the Father, when Jesus and Moses say that only the LORD GOD shall be worshipped?
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 6th, 2012, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by steko
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
How can you give the same honour to the Son as you give the Father, when Jesus and Moses say that only the LORD GOD shall be worshipped?
We honor our Father by doing what He has said in obeying His Son in all things that He says to us to do.
Both Moses and Jesus told us what the Father expects of us.
The example is set in the scriptures---
Gen 41:38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
Gen 41:39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath shewed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:
Gen 41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.
You ask me a question and I answered you but you will not give an answer to your adding words to Gods word to describe Jesus and the account God has given of His son.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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May 6th, 2012, 09:10 PM
The Bible does not mention incarnation of a God into human form through Mary, thus producing a God/man.
The Bible does not speak of a pre-trib rapture, or that Gods people are the Jews.
You have wasted your time. God will not bless your lies, no matter how dignified or knowledgable you like to appear before men.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
I assume it refers to the God Jesus has. The only God.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
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