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May 6th, 2012, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by genuineoriginal
Jesus did not establish the Catholic Church in 33 C.E....
Sure he did, as is unambiguously demonstrated here and here. Both the word of God and the unanimous testimony of the early Christian Church are against you on this one. Nice try, though.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
I think most here agree. Interesting situation when christians of all sorts place an atheist's analysis ahead of a Catholic's, and American christians in particular.
Of course none of them need to be "anti-Catholic" to do that, they just have to be opposed to fascism. And there are many Catholics in the world who would put my interpretation ahead of that of the Vatican's too. I'm sure you have an opinion about them.
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May 7th, 2012, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Sure he did, as is unambiguously demonstrated here and here. Both the word of God and the unanimous testimony of the early Christian Church are against you on this one.
Jesus established a congregation, but He did not establish the Roman Catholic organization.
The writings of the early Christians show that the church at Rome had no more significance than the one at Corinth.
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May 7th, 2012, 02:07 PM
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I think...
Post #88.
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May 7th, 2012, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by genuineoriginal
Jesus established a congregation, but He did not establish the Roman Catholic organization.
Already refuted (Post #91).
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The writings of the early Christians show that the church at Rome had no more significance than the one at Corinth.
Yeah, my Jehovah's Witness and Mormon friends like to appeal to the writings of the early Church, too. See here.
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May 7th, 2012, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Already refuted (Post #91).
Yeah, my Jehovah's Witness and Mormon friends like to appeal to the writings of the early Church, too. See here.
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You cannot refute something when you don't have the facts to do so. You post links that are high on assumptions but NEVER contain any verifiable facts to back them up.. scriptural or historical.
The fact is that you look at the RCC as someone that was born in the west under its influence (whether it be catholic or protestant, there is very little difference).
Had you been born in the east, under the influence of the Orthodox Churches, I have no doubt that you would have ended up being Orthodox, given the criteria for your reasoning.
The FACT is that the RCC was created in 1054 when Rome unilaterally separated itself from its brethren by excommunication them (which the Bishop in Rome had no authority to do)..
The FACT is that the RCC throughout the ages has been little more than a den of villainy, that claims infallibility so it can get away with its crimes. Italy should just absorb the vatican and put the criminals on trial for their money laundering and abuse coverups and the world would be a much juster place.
Here is something Biblical YOUR Catholic Priests love to Follow as an ambassador for God ,
Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without;
lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Ro 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Le 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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May 7th, 2012, 03:35 PM
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You post links that are high on assumptions but NEVER contain any verifiable facts to back them up.. scriptural or historical.
Sure they do. You just don't happen to like their conclusions, and so resort to parroting the opinions of your chosen sectarian anti-Catholic doctrinal tradition. Up to you.
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The fact is that you look at the RCC as someone that was born in the west under its influence (whether it be catholic or protestant, there is very little difference). Had you been born in the east, under the influence of the Orthodox Churches, I have no doubt that you would have ended up being Orthodox, given the criteria for your reasoning.
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about, but love to mindlessly spout your irrational opinions nonetheless. The fact is that I was born and raised as a decidedly non-Catholic Evangelical Protestant. Nice try, though.
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The FACT is that the RCC was created in 1054 when Rome unilaterally separated itself from its brethren by excommunication them (which the Bishop in Rome had no authority to do)...
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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May 7th, 2012, 03:38 PM
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Hey Cruciform, Here is something Biblical YOUR Catholic Priests love to Follow...
How many Catholics priests, exactly? Give a percentage. (And don't forget to document your answer.)
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May 7th, 2012, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Sure they do. You just don't happen to like their conclusions, and so resort to parroting the opinions of your chosen sectarian anti-Catholic doctrinal tradition. Up to you.
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about, but love to mindlessly spout your irrational opinions nonetheless. The fact is that I was born and raised as a decidedly non-Catholic Evangelical Protestant. Nice try, though.
They absolutely do not!.. every link you have ever posts starts out on un-based assumptions and builds from there. And other people on this site have pointed out the same problems.
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May 7th, 2012, 03:45 PM
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They absolutely do not!.. every link you have ever posts starts out on un-based assumptions and builds from there.
Already answered (Post #98).
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What you have is a severe case of circular logic.
Back at you.
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May 7th, 2012, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Already refuted (Post #91).
Sorry, you need to provide facts from a source outside the Roman Catholic organization in order to refute my statements. So far all you have done is post what the Roman Catholic organization says about how it gained its authority, yet it is lacking the historical facts of the Roman Catholic persecutions of other Christian believers in order to gain power.
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May 7th, 2012, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by genuineoriginal
Sorry, you need to provide facts from a source outside the Roman Catholic organization in order to refute my statements.
Why in the world would one feel any need whatsoever to do that...?
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So far all you have done is post what the Roman Catholic organization says about how it gained its authority, yet it is lacking the historical facts of the Roman Catholic persecutions of other Christian believers in order to gain power.
Hardly "persecutions." In any case, such cultural occurances---and non-Catholics did their own fair share of "persecuting" Catholics, as well as their fellow non-Catholics---are entirely incidental to the Catholic Church being that historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.
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May 7th, 2012, 09:42 PM
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Why in the world would one feel any need whatsoever to do that...?
Some people like unbiased opinions, but it seems that you cannot live without the completely unfounded fables made up by the Roman Catholic organization in order to justify their power grab.
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May 7th, 2012, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by genuineoriginal
Some people like unbiased opinions...
You really are childishly naive. There is simply no such thing as an "unbiased opinion." EVERY opinion expresses a bias---that's why it's called an "opinion."
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...but it seems that you cannot live without the completely unfounded fables made up by the Roman Catholic organization in order to justify their power grab.
Declares gen-o, thus expressing his oh-so-UNBIASED sectarian anti-Catholic religious tradition! This guy is hilarious.
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