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Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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May 7th, 2012, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
This is where we differ.
God sent Jesus into the world as the new Adam and humanities representative to fulfill the law in our name and on our behalf, Romans 5:19.
Adam fell from grace when he stop being led into his works by unconditionally obeying precisely what the Spirit has in mind for him to pray for say and do as intuitively discerned within his own heart. And opted to be led by his own intellectualizing. Adam disobedience was that he stop being led into his works by the Spirit. Then he fell from Grace i.e. he was no longer in righteousness with God.
Then many followed Adam by being led by their own intellectualizing and not by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for them to pray for say and do as intuitively discerned within their own hearts. They all fell from grace (i.e. fell from righteousness with God). This is the dominating reality in the world today.
When Jesus was here in a physical human body, He was always led by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for him to pray for, say and do as intuitively discerned within His heart. Those who follow Jesus and do the above, will return to righteousness with God. This is how Jesus always did the will of God. What the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for say and do as discerned within one's own hearts is always in line with the will of God (re. Romans: 8 verses: 26 & 27).
This is why the Spirit was regenerated in the hearts of those under the law (re. Titus: 3 verse: 5 and Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6).
Matthews: 16 verses: 21 to 23 is a demonstration of Jesus' fury when Peter (being Satan or taking the image of Satan) sought to do the same thing to Jesus as was done to original Adam.
Jesus was well known to be always on the agenda of God, His Father even if this agenda took him to persecution, torture and crucifixion (re. Matthews: 4 verse: 10).
Peter was not aware of this fact or he did not respect this fact or he simply did not care.
Jesus stayed on this agenda (of always doing the will of God) by being led into all his works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for him to pray for, say and do as intuitively discerned within His heart. Jesus told Satan, for it is written thou shall worship the Lord thy God and only him shall one serve(re. Matthews: 4 verse: 10). Here was Peter being Satan by seeking to have Jesus not serve only God, His Father and instead serve him (i.e. Peter). This continue to be the style of Peter and Company up to this day. Can you deny this fact?
In Matthews: 16 verses: 21 to 23 we witness Peter seeking to take Jesus off His Spiritually informed path and be led by an intellectual idea which Peter (as Satan) came up with.
What was Peter idea, he told (rebuke) Jesus: I will not have you go to Jerusalem so that you will be persecuted, tortured and crucified. Forget that ideas and let us by-pass Jerusalem.
This simple and reasonable suggestion (by today practice) by Peter, was derived though left brain thinking. This was an intellectually derived suggestion.
Jesus idea of going to Jerusalem and be persecuted, tortured and crucified was intuitively discerned through His right brain, from the Spirit.
Peter's attempt to have Jesus be led by his (Peter's) intellectually derive idea instead of unconditionally following His own intuitions from the Spirit, made Peter Satan.
This is exactly what Satan did to Eve and Adan to take them off grace of God.
Nothing has changed for Peter and Co.
Peter and his descendant (including their spin off churches and most of traditional Christianity) continue to do this (to their charges) in their churches up to this day.
In fact this Satanic practice which was totally condemned and dismissed by Jesus, when Peter attempted to have Him adopt it, is now institutionalized in traditional Christianity by Peter and Company for the past 2000 odd years. Originally Peter and Co. moved like spies among Christians (re. Galatians: 2 verse: 4) in order to promote their Antichrist agenda. Now they are boldly established and publicly institutionalized with the same agenda.
Peter was never loyal to Jesus. Peter remained Moses-ian. That is, loyal to the Old tradition. He was a spy. He denied Jesus three time and Jesus asked him three time if he loved Him. Yet humans did not get the message of Peter's lacking loyalty to Jesus. Peter's church was not a Christian church it was a Satanic church where Jesus sent people for their own betterment (re. I Corinthians: 5 verse: 5 and 1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20). Jesus had and has use of a Satanic church and Peter was the rock (the physicality and material-ness) on which He established one.
Wake up and smell the aroma of Truth. The hour is at hand.
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
The Holy Spirit is given to those who believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.
The Spirit comes by hearing of faith. This is how it comes to one. This is confirmed in Galatians 3:2. However Galatians: 4 verses: 5 & 6 confirms the purpose for getting the Spirit. These are two different things.
The Spirit was given by God, to those under the law, for a very specific purpose. God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that might become adopted children of God.
This was done so that they can live like Jesus did when he walk on earth in a human physical body. This is so that they can be led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for them to pray for, say and do as discerned within their own hearts.
It is though this unconditional obedience to precisely what the Spirit has in mind for them to pray for, say and do as discerned within their own heart, that humans are restored to righteousness with God and grace of God.
In this way though Jesus, many can be restored to grace of God and righteousness with God.
That is: one is restored to grace of God and righteousness with God, when one is led into all of one's works by unconditionally obeying precisely what the Spirit has in mind for one to pray for, say and do, as intuitively discerned within one's own heart, even if one has to transgress the Ten Commandments. This is the mystery of the gospel of un-circumcision which was committed onto Paul. This is the path to being in Christ, to being Christian . . . . i.e. the only path.
This is achieved by the grace of Jesus' Spirit, the Holy Ghost which must be discerned within our human hearts. By failing to live in the above manner, one is not under Grace of God or one has fallen from Grace, like Eve and Adam fell. Nothing else can redeem one.
No Maths in this. It is as clear as a bell. It is ringing absolutely clearly from the KJV N.T.
Last edited by Gurucam; May 8th, 2012 at 03:32 AM.
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Overcome by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of your testimony; and love not your life unto death.
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May 7th, 2012, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
"Now we know that what ever the law says, it says to them who are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin," Romans 3:19, 20.
Trying to be justified by the law is a sure ticket to hell.
Then it is a good thing I am not trying to be justified by the law.
The only way to be justified is through faith, but lawlessness is not of faith.
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Being led into relationships by urgings of love which arise and are sustained naturally and spontaneously within my heart, is always 'God-righteous' even if I have to transgress the Ten Commandments.
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May 8th, 2012, 03:34 AM
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Then it is a good thing I am not trying to be justified by the law.
The only way to be justified is through faith, but lawlessness is not of faith.
Where did you get the idea that "lawlessness is not of faith".
Because Abraham had faith in God he transgress the law. Did not Abraham raise his hand to kill his son simply because he had faith in God, enough to obey God unconditionally?
Because Abraham had faith in God when God request that he transgress the thou shall not kill (one's son) commandment, he did that lawless thing. And he was glorified and rewarded by God.
Abraham by his absolute willingness to obey God and transgress the thou shall not kill commandments, is deemed by Jesus and God to have actually killed his son and transgressed the thou shall not kill commandment. Jesus confirmed that the intent to break the law is the actual transgression of the law. Therefore as far as Jesus and God were and are concerned Abraham transgressed the law. He killed his son.
Then Abraham was rewarded for being lawless (i.e. for transgressing the law). He came into glory of God and he got the best reward from God i.e. the promise of the Spirit, which God eventually sent into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God.
Here 'faith in God' went hand in hand with lawlessness. Where did you get that Antichrist teaching that "lawlessness is not of faith".
Here, in this prime example for aspiring Christians and Christians: faith (in God) demanded lawlessness . . . . . please stop your blaspheming ways.
Here God had shown us that faith will not only tolerate lawlessness but faith will demand lawlessness. Those under faith (in God) are not under laws.
You are altering authentic scriptures to fit your intellectually derived idea. Through your thinking (using your left side brain) you perceive that "lawlessness is not of faith" so you ignore the KJV N.T. and you gone with your belief. Your perception is totally opposed to revelations of Truth in the KJV N.T. Actually you are blaspheming the KJV N.T. while pretending or claiming to be Christian. You cannot have your own righteousness which denies KJV N.T. revelations and also be Christian. You are false.
If your own righteousness opposes KJV N.T. revelations of Truth and you present yourself as Christian, then you are a false prophet who came in Jesus' name. And you will inevitably be misguiding many. Not only is your claim, "lawlessness is not of faith", erroneous, it is totally opposite to actual righteousness of God as prescribed for aspiring Christians and Christians. I suspect that this is the kind of erroneous teaching that is been passed out as Christianity in Peter's Satanic church. Tell me if I am mistaken.
This is very serious. By blaspheming you are under Satan/Peter. You were sent by Jesus and God to Jesus' Satanic church, to correct your blaspheming ways (1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20). Indeed if Satanic dominates your awareness, you will gravitate, naturally and spontaneously, to Peter's church. Jesus' Satanic church was built on the rock that is Peter who was identified by Jesus to be Satan. 1 Timothy: 1 verse: 20 and 1 Corinthians: 5 verse: 5 confirmed unequivocally that Jesus had and continue to have, use for Satan. He sent people to Satan for their betterment. It is therefore very reasonable for Jesus to commission His Satanic church under Peter who He identified to be Satan.
It is Peter who made out Satan to be some absolutely bad and dangerous entity and then denied that he was Satan. Fact is Satan is simply any human who is led into his works by left brain thinking and not by the mind of the Spirit as obtained through right brain (or intuitive) discernment. Only those on the right side make it to heaven.
Please correct your blaspheming ways. So that you can get out from under the grips of Satan/Peter and onto Christ.
Please wake up and smell the aroma of Truth. The hour is at hand.
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May 8th, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Gurucam
Where did you get the idea that "lawlessness is not of faith".
I get the idea that "lawlessness is not of faith" from the clear teachings of the Bible, not from the heresies you teach that a person can be lawless and faithful at the same time.
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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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May 8th, 2012, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by genuineoriginal
I get the idea that "lawlessness is not of faith" from the clear teachings of the Bible, not from the heresies you teach that a person can be lawless and faithful at the same time.
We are all sinners my friend.
Everyday you are transgressing God's Holy Law. Do you think that the apostle Paul was sinless?
He refered to himself as "The Chief of Sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15.
In Romans the 7th chapter he describes his struggle with his lower Adamic nature. "The Good that I would, I don't do it. Instead I do the evil."
Christians are not under laws and rules. Christ has removed us from the law because it is contrary to us, Colossians 2:15. We are now free to be sinners. Will we use this freedom to sin. Not if I can help it. Do the best that you can. Be a good witness for Jesus Christ.
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May 8th, 2012, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
We are now free to be sinners. Will we use this freedom to sin. Not if I can help it. Do the best that you can. Be a good witness for Jesus Christ.
What did Jesus say about lawlessness?
Matthew 24:11-13 YLT
11 `And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray;
12 and because of the abounding of the lawlessness, the love of the many shall become cold;
13 but he who did endure to the end, he shall be saved;
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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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May 9th, 2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by genuineoriginal
What did Jesus say about lawlessness?
Matthew 24:11-13 YLT
11 `And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray;
12 and because of the abounding of the lawlessness, the love of the many shall become cold;
13 but he who did endure to the end, he shall be saved;
"Enduring to the end" means to persevere in the faith. It means to continue to have faith in Christ and his Gospel.
It does not mean to go off on some sort of a holiness trip.
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May 9th, 2012, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
"Enduring to the end" means to persevere in the faith. It means to continue to have faith in Christ and his Gospel.
It does not mean to go off on some sort of a holiness trip.
"Enduring to the end" means to continue in faithfulness to Jesus and the Gospel.
You cannot continue in faithfulness if you go off on some sort of lawlessness trip.
"Enduring to the end" means to continue in faithfulness to Jesus and the Gospel.
You cannot continue in faithfulness if you go off on some sort of lawlessness trip.
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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May 10th, 2012, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
The righteousness that saves us is not in us, Romans 7:18.
Your misinterpretation of this and other biblical texts is demonstrated and refuted in Post #41 above.
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