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May 7th, 2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HisServant
So you are asking me to prove that something you failed to provide never existed?
I didn't ask you to prove anything. (After all, what would be the point of asking?)
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Your church is a rogue apostate sect that settled in Rome and was used as a religious tool by the Roman Empire to empower itself.. nothing more and nothing less.
Thus saith HS's favored sectarian anti-Catholic religious tradition!
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May 7th, 2012, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
The Church's Magisterium defines doctrinal orthodoxy for believers
Let me fix that for you:
The Roman Catholic sect's (not the church's) Magisterium (aka false teachers) defines doctrinal orthodoxy (aka damnable heresies) for believers (aka the prey)
2 Peter 2:1
1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Ezekiel 34:7-8
7 Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord;
8 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
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May 8th, 2012, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by genuineoriginal
Let me fix that for you: The Roman Catholic sect's (not the church's) Magisterium (aka false teachers) defines doctrinal orthodoxy (aka damnable heresies) for believers (aka the prey)
Sorry, but your imaginary conspiracy theory just doesn't line up with the historical facts, as has already been shown. But you don't really care about all that, do you. You're only interested in the laughably ahistorical and oft-refuted scenario concocted by your favored sectarian anti-Catholic religious tradition.
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2 Peter 2:1
1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Yes, there are always those who attempt to promote false teachings in the Church (Arius, Pelagius, and Martin Luther all come to mind). And who authoritatively determines what is a heresy and what is not?---the Magisterium (teaching office made up of the apostles and their ordained successors, the bishops) of Christ's historic Church, not individual laymen such as yourself. That's why your statement at the top of this post is so sad---you actually believe that your opinions about what constitutes true and false doctrine carry some sort of binding authority for Christians, a notion that is both unbiblical and unhistorical.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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love others as u love yourself... and thank God you dont have to like them
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May 8th, 2012, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Sorry, but your imaginary conspiracy theory just doesn't line up with the historical facts, as has already been shown. But you don't really care about all that, do you. You're only interested in the laughably ahistorical and oft-refuted scenario concocted by your favored sectarian anti-Catholic religious tradition.
Yes, there are always those who attempt to promote false teachings in the Church (Arius, Pelagius, and Martin Luther all come to mind). And who authoritatively determines what is a heresy and what is not?---the Magisterium (teaching office made up of the apostles and their ordained successors, the bishops) of Christ's historic Church, not individual laymen such as yourself. That's why your statement at the top of this post is so sad---you actually believe that your opinions about what constitutes true and false doctrine carry some sort of binding authority for Christians, a notion that is both unbiblical and unhistorical.
Gaudium de veritate,
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That's why your statement at the top of this post is so sad---you actually believe that your opinions about what constitutes true and false doctrine carry some sort of binding authority for Christians, a notion that is both unbiblical and unhistorical.
you call it sad... i call it other things
bizarre
arrogant
tiresome
and since this is about the 1000th post all saying essentially the same thing: boring
but oh well...
ppl will learn in the end that the CatholicChurch was for real
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May 8th, 2012, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by genuineoriginal
They are known as the Magisterium
That's it? Your only reply is to ignorantly equate formal heretics such as Arius, Pelagius, and Luther with "the Magisterium"? Why not at least try to make sense.
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May 8th, 2012, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
That's it? Your only reply is to ignorantly equate formal heretics such as Arius, Pelagius, and Luther with "the Magisterium"? Why not at least try to make sense.
No, I equate with full knowledge such heretics as Origen, Jerome, and Augustine with the false teachers of the Magisterium.
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May 8th, 2012, 09:13 PM
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No, I equate with full knowledge such heretics as Origen, Jerome, and Augustine with the false teachers of the Magisterium.
Honestly, who cares? What binding authority do you possess that would compell anyone to pay the least bit of attention to your opinion regarding who is supposedly a "heretic" or "false teacher"? Of course, the glaring answer is that you have no authority whatsoever to make theological decisions on behalf of other believers. Indeed, it is the Magisterium of Christ's historic Church that bears the Christ-given authority to define doctrinal orthodoxy for believers, not individual laymen like yourself.
Hate to break it to you, gen-o, but Christ's historic Church is not now, nor has it ever been, a democracy. You just don't get a vote. The apostles (the original Magisterium) never asked lay believers for their opinions on which teachings were orthodox and which were not. Likewise with their ordained successors, the bishops (the present Magisterium). Guess you'll just have to deal with that fact. (Or not.)
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May 8th, 2012, 09:31 PM
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What binding authority do you possess that would compell anyone to pay the least bit of attention to your opinion regarding who is supposedly a "heretic" or "false teacher"?
I have the exact same "binding" authority that any of the teachers in the Roman Catholic sect has, and it was granted to me by the exact same source.
Your problem is that you think there is an authoritative difference between "professional" believers and "laymen" believers.
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May 9th, 2012, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by genuineoriginal
I have the exact same "binding" authority that any of the teachers in the Roman Catholic sect has, and it was granted to me by the exact same source.
Already refuted (Post #281).
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Your problem is that you think there is an authoritative difference between "professional" believers and "laymen" believers.
Your problem is that you assume otherwise (Mt. 16:18-19; 28:18-20; Lk. 10:16; Ac. 16:4; Rom. 16:17; 1 Cor. 12:28; 2 Cor. 5:20; 1 Thess. 4:8; 1 Tim. 3:15; Titus 2:15; 1 Jn. 4:6).
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