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May 8th, 2012, 06:00 AM

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LOVERS OF PLEASURE MORE THAN GOD.


2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;


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Christianity has nothing applicable, appropriate, or worthwhile to offer the 21st century.


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May 9th, 2012, 01:34 AM

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Saw The Avengers tonight. Anyone else? I thought is was solid, not great, but worth seeing.

Captain America has a great line that Christians will appreciate. Anyone else catch it?
I went to the midnight show. It was awesome!

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Saw the movie twice already. Absolutely loved it. Favorite scene: Hulk/Loki in Stark Tower. (I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it).


Everybody in the theater was laughing so loudly that I didn't hear what Hulk said at the end, but I found out online.

There were a lot of laughs. The Galaga gag was one of my favorites, too.

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Just one quick question. At any point in the film does Loki dress like this?!




Pretty much throughout the entire movie. Except for one scene where he's in a suit. And he doesn't wear the helmet at all times. Thor never wears his in this movie.

And Loki's outfit is more what it was in the Thor movie than in the comics.





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May 10th, 2012, 10:40 PM

Who all stayed all the way through the credits to see both extra scenes?





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May 11th, 2012, 12:13 AM

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Who all stayed all the way through the credits to see both extra scenes?
Glad you said that.
I'm hoping to take grandkids to see it this weekend.






   
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May 11th, 2012, 01:28 AM

The Avengers Story Break Down...



Act 1 (Set up):

1. Loki escapes the cosmic cube dimension and then escapes with the cube.
2. Loki is eventually re-captured but the cosmic cube is still missing.

Plot Point 1:
Black Widow discovers Loki's plan of attack but by then it is too late (And the Avengers fall into Loki's trap) (In other words, they end up being deceived by fighting one another and the rage of the Hulk is released). (Hawkeye and a group of Shield agents secretly attacks the Heli-carrier in order to bring it down)

Act 2 (Conflict):

1. Avengers try and salvage against the situation (i.e. Loki's trap). They strive to keep Loki contained, and keep the Heli-carrier in the air.
2. They save the Heli-carrier from crashing; However, Loki escapes.

Plot Point 2:
The two major leaders of the Avengers (i.e. Captain America & Iron Man) are saddened by Agent Coulson's death and they make it their mission to band together to take down Loki (avenge his death). (Hawkeye & Black Widow want vengeance (or to avenge) against Loki because they were personally attacked mentally). (Nick Fury then manipulates the Avenger leaders (Iron Man and Captain America) into being the leaders of the team (or the Heroes they were meant to be (Thus: Forming the Team and stopping the threat at hand))).

Act 3 (Resolution):

1. Avengers assemble in NY to capture Loki, and to repossess the cosmic cube.
2. Cosmic cube opens a portal that releases Loki's alien army (Ultimate Skrulls).
3. Leading Bureaucrats in Shield send a nuclear missile to stop threat in NY.
4. Iron Man redirects the missile into the portal and it stops the aliens.
5. Loki is captured.

Plot Point 3:
Although, there is some skepticism, the Avengers are primarily hailed as heroes by the people for saving the day. The Team is disbanded (and spreads out across the globe). Then, at the end credits we are deceived into thinking that Loki was the real threat (When in fact the real or greater threat may have been Thanos (As implied in his appearance at the end)).

Theme of the Movie:
A false sense of reality (Being Deceived, or Deception).



Scriptural Message:
Faith lets us know that the things within this world are not what they appear to be. That there is something hidden from the majority of the world that is fallen into sin or for those individuals who follow their own desires and lusts instead of God. In other words, the devil blinds the hearts and minds of men (Who do not follow God and His Word).

Bible Quote:
(2 Timothy 2:22-26) ~
"Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will."

Protagonists:
The Avengers (A Mismatched Group or Team Fighting To Save the World)
(Could be seen as God's people)

Antagonists:
Loki and the Ultimate Skrull Army (Chitauri).
(Could be seen as the Father of lies (i.e. the devil) and his fall angels)
(Note: Now, although Thanos seems like he may have been the real threat behind this movie, but on Theological perspective, it seems more likely that Loki is very intelligent and is the Father of lies and it is quite possible he knew what he was getting himself into)

MacGuffin:
The Cube.
(No Theological Message)

God honoring quote:
"There’s only one God, ma’am, and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t dress like that.”
~ Captain America talking to Black Widow.

The unusual thing is that Chris Evans (i.e. Captain America) played the male romantic interest in the 2007 romantic comedy "Nanny Diaries" alongside Scarlett Johansson (i.e. Black Widow).



Even more strange is that James Bucky Barnes Captain America had romantic relations with Black Widow in the comic books, too. Now, this was an unbiblical relationship (i.e. a union outside of marriage); So I am not personally recommending for you to read this particular storyline within the comics or anything. I am just making you aware of the connection.

http://voices.yahoo.com/black-widow-...r-5340045.html

Theological Plot Points (or Messages):

Plot Point 1 (At the end of Act 1):
Most people today are being deceived by the devil. This would even include Christians being deceived by such doctrines as: Eternal Security (or No Responsibility of One's Faith), Baptismal Salvation, Theistic Evolution, Annihilationism, Post Modernism (or the Allegorization of the Scriptures), Non-Biblical Inerrancy, Ultra-Dispensationalism, Non-Imminancy (and or No Immediate Rapture), Amillennialism, etc.

Plot Point 2 (At the end of Act 2):
Now, although, the devil's deception has taken root within the Lord's body of believers (such as many popular preachers and radios ministers (like with the topic of Eternal Security, Theistic Evolution, & the Prosperity Gospel)), the light is still greater than the darkness and the truth of God's Word still shines forth the message of the gospel that Jesus is the only means by which we can be saved. However, it is up to the believer to stay the course from the beginning of when they first accepted Jesus as their Savior. They are responsible for keeping their faith from becoming ship wrecked by avoiding the many false teachings that are within the churches today. In other words, it is good that true believers or Christians start out well (Like with the Avengers); But they must endure and be heroes for the faith unto the end and finish well, too.

Plot Point 3 (At the end of Act 3):
True heroism is not just fighting to save the world for your own glory or self righteousness, but it is fighting for a lost and dying world by preaching the good news of Jesus Christ and thereby glorifying the Lord (and not ourselves). It is a self sacrifice not unto ourselves but unto God. For we must stand firm in our faith and overcome this world and the devil who controls it. For there are dark times ahead for those who will miss out on the Rapture. There will be an Anti Christ (i.e. Thanos?) and a mark that he will enforce upon those people who are rebellious towards God in the end times. So stand firm in the hope and trust that we have in the Lord. Know that God will keep you and that you can also stand in fellowship to God's glory with others across the world (for those who believe that God's Word is infallible and true and that it should be obeyed), too.

Movie Rating:
Almost an "A+"; but I give the Avengers film a school grade rating of an "A" because I would have preferred seeing the Chitauri and Thanos as actors in actual outfits instead of some kind of CGI effect. I also thought Eric Dane from Grey's Anatomy would have been a better choice as an actor to play the role of Captain America than Chris Evans, too; However, Whedon seemed to make Evans seem a little more believable in the role as Captain in the Avengers than Joe Johnston did with Captain America. Which I guess is a good thing. But I still think Dane would have been way better in the part, though.





Side Note:
Oh, and I have not seen a regular movie in months. However, seeing I grew up with these characters and the film was not promoting magic, psychics, openly immoral or evil protagonists, murderers, demons, demonic monsters, ghosts, or aliens as being the good guys....

Well, I then decided to check it out for entertainment and witnessing purposes.




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May 11th, 2012, 05:52 AM

I saw the first mid-credits scene, Lighthouse. Thought that was it and left, missing the final scene. Heard it was funny.





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