[YahuShuan]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

That's not the point. The point is, what do you care? Stay with your Bible whose god is triune. We will stay with ours who is absolutely One. (Deut. 6:4)
Ben

Oh yes, you are doing so well with it too. My Bible tells me the same as yours does you who act like a fool falsely accusing those who you have no clue about... Deu 6:4 “Hear, O Yisra’ĕl: יהוה* our Elohim, יהוה* is one!"

I happen to agree with that too ACCUSER. Where are your two witnesses? Do you even have a clue how Yah is going to show His Glory by using you? I do...and you are about to feel it. I am praying that Yah will have mercy, because MANY of you are going to fall before you get the clue that you have to admit that Yeshua was, is and always will be, THE Messiah. And it is going to hurt big time. All because of the attitude you flaunt so wickedly now. UNBELIEF...in ALL that the prophets have spoken! Yah's glory will be shown when you call out with that admission, and repentance of this past two thousand years+, and HE will save Israel THEN...But you stiffnecked are still so stiffnecked, it is going to take THE BIG ONE to set you all straight. Praise be to Yah! This is the last time you will have to come to terms with the truth, because from this time forward, no lies will be allowed. You are a lover of the traditions of men, and NOT of God, and that is what has made the Word of Yah, "of none effect". He said that when He was walking here, and He is now going to show you just what this has done. THAN His glory will be seen, and known, by ALL MANKIND. And oh yes...your light is going to shine alright...but it is going to burn you before you get a grip on the love you have passed up, and all the blessings you could have had...Had you listened TO HIM.

Enjoy the weather...it IS going to get real rough, and now is the time, it will get rougher, with only brief respites...until you folks put yourselves back UNDER Yah...where you belong. The rest of the world will do so also, man will have no excuse anymore. They never did, they just thought they did. Just like you. Just like the ones you think you speak to. You don't. Because you don't know. Your words fall to the ground. But trust this...HIS will NOT! And YOU are not knnowing them, you are knowing men's words. And that is also the reason why you accuse me falsely. Because you don't know His Words...How in the world could you know mine. Mine agree with His. Yours however, do NOT.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

You are not the Messiah.

Myself, personally, no, I am not. But I am a member of the Messiah, which is Israel, the Jewish People. The triumphant Messiah that is, who, according to Jeremiah 31:35-37 is supposed to remain as a People before the Lord forever. The Suffering Servant Messiah was metaphorically sacrificed when the Lord rejected Israel for good and confirmed Judah, according to Psalm 78:67-69. The Messiah is Immanuel, which Isaiah identifies him with Judah. Read Isaiah 8:8.
Ben

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

Myself, personally, no, I am not. But I am a member of the Messiah, which is Israel, the Jewish People. The triumphant Messiah that is, who, according to Jeremiah 31:35-37 is supposed to remain as a People before the Lord forever. The Suffering Servant Messiah was metaphorically sacrificed when the Lord rejected Israel for good and confirmed Judah, according to Psalm 78:67-69. The Messiah is Immanuel, which Isaiah identifies him with Judah. Read Isaiah 8:8.
Ben

You are not a member of the Messiah. You are of Israel.

[Ben Masada]

[quote=YahuShuan;3063948]

Oh yes, you are doing so well with it too. My Bible tells me the same as yours does you who act like a fool falsely accusing those who you have no clue about... Deu 6:4 “Hear, O Yisra’ĕl: יהוה* our Elohim, יהוה* is one!"

The Bible of the Jews for Baal of the time of Elijah said the same, but
it didn't help them when Elijah brought them down to judgement in the brook of Kishon. (I Kings 18:40)

Do you even have a clue how Yah is going to show His Glory by using you?

Yes, it is in Ezekiel 20:41. Check it out!

I do...and you are about to feel it. I am praying that Yah will have mercy, because MANY of you are going to fall before you get the clue that you have to admit that Yeshua was, is and always will be, THE Messiah.

Prove it by using the only Scriptures that Jesus used to refer to as the
Word of God. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise.

Praise be to Yah! This is the last time you will have to come to terms with the truth, because from this time forward, no lies will be allowed.

What is the Truth, do you happen to know? Jesus himself said that the Truth is the Word of God. (John 17:17) The Word of God that, according to Psalm 147:19,20, was given to Israel only and to no other people on earth. What makes you so stiff necked to understand
what the Scriptures says?

You are a lover of the traditions of men, and NOT of God, and that is what has made the Word of Yah, "of none effect". He said that when He was walking here, and He is now going to show you just what this has done. THAN His glory will be seen, and known, by ALL MANKIND. And oh yes...your light is going to shine alright...but it is going to burn you before you get a grip on the love you have passed up, and all the blessings you could have had...Had you listened TO HIM.

Your words are of any effect only on those who adopt the Hellenistic myth of the demigod, which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. There is no such a thing in Judaism, which was the Faith of Jesus.

Because you don't know His Words...How in the world could you know mine. Mine agree with His. Yours however, do NOT.

Your words agree with his who, Zeus? It couldn't be anything else. Read Isaiah 46:5. "Whom would you compare Me with, as an equal, or match Me against, as though we were alike?" Do your words still agree with His? Hardly!
Ben

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

You are not a member of the Messiah. You are of Israel.

Here, read this, and please, don't answer before you finish it. Thanks.

THE COLLECTIVE MESSIAH - ISAIAH 53

We all know that the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 is the Messiah. So, no argument about it. But then who did Isaiah have in mind when he wrote chapter 53? In fact, who was in his mind when he wrote the whole book? That's in Isaiah 1:1: "A vision about Judah and Jerusalem." That's the theme of the book of Isaiah: Judah. Or the House of Jacob called by the the name of Israel from the stock of Judah. (Isa. 48:1)

Now, how about the Suffering Servant? Isaiah mentions him by name, which is Israel according to Isaiah 41:8,9; 44:1,2,21. Now, we have extablished a syllogism. If the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 is the Messiah, and the Suffering Servant is Israel, the resultant premise will obviously be, that Israel (the Jewish People) is the Messiah. Rashi thought so too, and a few other thinkers of weight.

Now, if the Messiah must also bring the epitet of son of God, there is no problem. We can have it from Exodus 4:22,23. Here's what it says in there: "Israel is My son; so, let My son go, that he may serve Me," says the Lord. That's why Hosea said that "When Israel was a child, God said, out of Egypt I called My son." (Hosea 11:1)

Last but not least, Jesus no doubt was part of the Messiah but not on an individual basis. The Messiah is collective. What we need from time to time, especially in exile, is of a Messianic leader to lead or inspire the Messiah to return home. Moses was one for bringing the Messiah back to Canaan. Cyrus was another for proclaiming the return of the Messiah to rebuild the Temple, which, BTW, he contributed heavily finacially; and in our modern times, we had Theodor Herzl who was also a Messianic leader for inspiring the Messiah with love for Zion.

How about Jesus, what do we have to classify him as at least a Messianic leader? Well, when he was born Israel was at home, although suffering under the foreign power of the Romans, but at home. As he grew up that suffering only got worse. When he left, the collective Messiah was expelled into another exile of about 2000 years. Even as a Messianic leader he could not classify. Let alone as the Messiah himself.

Now, I would appreciate to share your comments about the above.

Ben

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

Here, read this, and please, don't answer before you finish it. Thanks.

THE COLLECTIVE MESSIAH - ISAIAH 53

We all know that the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 is the Messiah. So, no argument about it. But then who did Isaiah have in mind when he wrote chapter 53? In fact, who was in his mind when he wrote the whole book? That's in Isaiah 1:1: "A vision about Judah and Jerusalem." That's the theme of the book of Isaiah: Judah. Or the House of Jacob called by the the name of Israel from the stock of Judah. (Isa. 48:1)

Now, how about the Suffering Servant? Isaiah mentions him by name, which is Israel according to Isaiah 41:8,9; 44:1,2,21. Now, we have extablished a syllogism. If the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 is the Messiah, and the Suffering Servant is Israel, the resultant premise will obviously be, that Israel (the Jewish People) is the Messiah. Rashi thought so too, and a few other thinkers of weight.

Now, if the Messiah must also bring the epitet of son of God, there is no problem. We can have it from Exodus 4:22,23. Here's what it says in there: "Israel is My son; so, let My son go, that he may serve Me," says the Lord. That's why Hosea said that "When Israel was a child, God said, out of Egypt I called My son." (Hosea 11:1)

Last but not least, Jesus no doubt was part of the Messiah but not on an individual basis. The Messiah is collective. What we need from time to time, especially in exile, is of a Messianic leader to lead or inspire the Messiah to return home. Moses was one for bringing the Messiah back to Canaan. Cyrus was another for proclaiming the return of the Messiah to rebuild the Temple, which, BTW, he contributed heavily finacially; and in our modern times, we had Theodor Herzl who was also a Messianic leader for inspiring the Messiah with love for Zion.

How about Jesus, what do we have to classify him as at least a Messianic leader? Well, when he was born Israel was at home, although suffering under the foreign power of the Romans, but at home. As he grew up that suffering only got worse. When he left, the collective Messiah was expelled into another exile of about 2000 years. Even as a Messianic leader he could not classify. Let alone as the Messiah himself.

Now, I would appreciate to share your comments about the above.

Ben

You seem to have here a polemic against Christianity and not in support of Biblical Judaism.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

You seem to have here a polemic against Christianity and not in support of Biblical Judaism.

To stand against Replacement Theology is the best support of Biblical Judaism.
Ben

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

To stand against Replacement Theology is the best support of Biblical Judaism.
Ben

Jesus as the Messiah does not replace Biblical Judaism.

You are speaking of Rashi. He came long after the Biblical era. Judaism has had many forms. I'm talking about what is Biblical.

[YahuShuan]

[quote=Ben Masada;3069677]

Originally Posted by YahuShuan

The Bible of the Jews for Baal of the time of Elijah said the same, but
it didn't help them when Elijah brought them down to judgement in the brook of Kishon. (I Kings 18:40)



Yes, it is in Ezekiel 20:41. Check it out!



Prove it by using the only Scriptures that Jesus used to refer to as the
Word of God. He never even dreamed the NT would ever rise.



What is the Truth, do you happen to know? Jesus himself said that the Truth is the Word of God. (John 17:17) The Word of God that, according to Psalm 147:19,20, was given to Israel only and to no other people on earth. What makes you so stiff necked to understand
what the Scriptures says?



Your words are of any effect only on those who adopt the Hellenistic myth of the demigod, which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. There is no such a thing in Judaism, which was the Faith of Jesus.



Your words agree with his who, Zeus? It couldn't be anything else. Read Isaiah 46:5. "Whom would you compare Me with, as an equal, or match Me against, as though we were alike?" Do your words still agree with His? Hardly!
Ben

You are so misconstrued you hallow only yourself, and that is not going to go over well. You are BEING darkness trying to shine in the light...and you can't.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Jesus as the Messiah does not replace Biblical Judaism.

You are speaking of Rashi. He came long after the Biblical era. Judaism has had many forms. I'm talking about what is Biblical.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Jesus as the Messiah does not replace Biblical Judaism.

You are speaking of Rashi. He came long after the Biblical era. Judaism has had many forms. I'm talking about what is Biblical.

I believe that Rashi was a little wiser than you and I am. In his research about the real Messiah, he arrived to the conclusion that the
Messiah was collective in the People of Israel. Therefore, to acclaim an individual as the Messiah, one is involved in the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology.
Ben

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

I believe that Rashi was a little wiser than you and I am. In his research about the real Messiah, he arrived to the conclusion that the
Messiah was collective in the People of Israel. Therefore, to acclaim an individual as the Messiah, one is involved in the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology.
Ben

You are wise enough to follow Rashi who you believe in your wisdom to be wiser than you.

[Ben Masada]

[quote=YahuShuan;3071186]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

You are so misconstrued you hallow only yourself, and that is not going to go over well. You are BEING darkness trying to shine in the light...and you can't.

And as we can see, you are yourself digging a position to stand against the Scriptures, as you convey an opposite message to the one which is written. Israel, the Jewish People, was assigned as light unto the nations and not darkness. (Isa. 42:6) As for "trying to shine," we don't even have to. Just for being in there, it is by means of us that the Lord shows His glory in the sight of the nations. Read Ezekiel 20:41.
Ben

[YahuShuan]

[quote=Ben Masada;3074521]

Originally Posted by YahuShuan

And as we can see, you are yourself digging a position to stand against the Scriptures, as you convey an opposite message to the one which is written. Israel, the Jewish People, was assigned as light unto the nations and not darkness. (Isa. 42:6) As for "trying to shine," we don't even have to. Just for being in there, it is by means of us that the Lord shows His glory in the sight of the nations. Read Ezekiel 20:41.
Ben

Luk 13:34, 35 “Yerushalayim, Yerushalayim, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to her! How often I wished to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, but you would not! See, your House is left to you laid waste. And truly I say to you, you shall by no means see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה!’ ”

Apparently you have decided you will not be a part of that, so YOUR house will remain desolate...as it is now. Until YOU ALL comply.

[Ben Masada]

[quote=YahuShuan;3076497]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

Luk 13:34, 35 “Yerushalayim, Yerushalayim, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to her! How often I wished to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, but you would not! See, your House is left to you laid waste. And truly I say to you, you shall by no means see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה!’ ”

Apparently you have decided you will not be a part of that, so YOUR house will remain desolate...as it is now. Until YOU ALL comply.

And for you, I have a much more pleasant message: If you decide to be part of God's Covenant made with His People Israel, you will acquire for yourself a name better than that of sons and daughters. That's in Isaiah 56:1-8.

And with regards to Luke 13:34,35, that's a reference to the Government, especially of that of Ahab who, with his wife Jezabel, killed many of the prophets of the Lord. It has nothing to do with the People of Israel. The People cannot be condemned for the crimes of the kings, especially when they have pagan wives as Jezabel was one.
Ben