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Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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May 13th, 2012, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
Jesus Christ is not a reflection of God...He is the ultimate REVELATION of God. Heb. 1:2-3
Jesus Christ is the Glory of God revealed in human flesh.
Isaiah 40:5
And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
God has always revealed Himself to mankind in some form or another, be it a pillar of fire and cloud, a burning bush, or Creation and the prophets.
The final way God has chosen to reveal Himself is seen in the Lord Jesus Christ. This method of revelation has only one limitation....our own finite ability to comprehend an infinite God. John 12:45 John 14:8-9 Col. 2:9 John 8:58
Yes, so
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a pillar of fire and cloud, a burning bush, or Creation and the prophets.
are you saying that all those in your list is
God because God revealed himself by those means?
Did not God reveal himself by His written word also?
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
I John 3:1-2. Prov 14:34 Psalm 133:1
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Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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May 13th, 2012, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lon
"He is BOTH." There, you said it. You are now crossing over into a triune view: "He is a FORM of God, [and] [H]e has a God."
John 1:1 Colossians 1 and Philippians 2, say the same thing.
Calling a chipmunk a human because both are warm blooded is quite a leap of "faith".
"Being in the form of God" does not equal "is God"
God is spirit, all spirits therefore are in the form of God.
But not all spirits are God, now are they?
your snare is obvious.
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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May 13th, 2012, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
Well, if you held a mirror up to Jesus, you would see God working and speaking through a human being.
John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
If you held a mirror up to God, you wouldn't see anything because He is Spirit. Therefore, in that sense, Jesus cannot be the "image" of God. So reflection is out.
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
The term "declared" speaks to revelation.
Jesus is said to be the express image of God... meaning He possesses all the attributes of God, speaks only the Words of God, and bears the Glory of God in the form of a man.
Wonderful theory, but not one supported by scripture.
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Well, if you held a mirror up to Jesus, you would see God working and speaking through a human being.
Really?
You mean like when a prophet speaks for God, or like when an angel/messenger sent by God speaks for God?
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
Reputation:
May 13th, 2012, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
He's getting close....
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..it's a duck.
John 2:24-25 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
Mark 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
John 1:48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
Matthew 17:27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Those insights are what scriptures describe about men and women of God as God reveals to them what is going on. Too bad you are so near sighted, you miss so much of scripture, it is sad and heartbreaking to see how much truth you miss.
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
Reputation:
May 13th, 2012, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
Yes, you are a JW...you just don't realize it.
Jesus was not created, He was conceived in the womb of a virgin. "You will conceive and bring forth a son.." "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, the power of the Highest will overshadow you..." Luke 1:31 Luke 1:35
You blaspheme the Holy Spirit by claiming He was just a "spirit image" of God.
Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
So in your triune god, the father is not really the father of Jesus, it is the spirit that is the father of Jesus?
Maybe you should rethink your theology a bit?
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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May 13th, 2012, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
What a bunch of rubbish. Romans 1:22-23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man..
You say Jesus was only "a form of God." Was He only a "form" of a servant, too? Merely a "likeness" of a man? Did He die on a "form" of a cross?
Phil. 2:7-11 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Basically, you're accusing God of creating a form of God with a name above every name...an image for all of creation to bow down to. You're saying God wants us to worship an idol of His own making.
Pure rubbish.
You are the ones who violate Romans 1:23
You have elevated the human, Jesus Christ, the son of God, to God status. That is idolatry.
You need to repent of your wickedness.
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
You are good! Not like God is good, but you are good!
Vito
Thanks, I think this thread is just Ducky, its full of Quacks.
Of which, I may be one because they are driving me crazy.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Slogan/motto:
II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
Reputation:
May 13th, 2012, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
I was born. My mother wasn't a virgin, and I wasn't conceived by the Holy Ghost. I'm glad we got that settled.
Jesus didn't need to be baptized to receive the Holy Spirit. He was conceived by the Spirit of God...The Spirit was ever with Him. Isaiah 11:1-2
Water baptism doesn't take away sin. The basic action of baptism is identification, so Jesus identified with righteousness in obedience to the Mosaic Law. Priests were "washed" and annointed. As a human, He was anointed with the Holy Spirit as the Lamb of God and it was the beginning of His public ministry. Acts 10:38
You are excellent at jumping to conclusions.
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Jesus didn't need to be baptized to receive the Holy Spirit. He was conceived by the Spirit of God...The Spirit was ever with Him. Isaiah 11:1-2
Isaiah does not say when that happened.
The gospels tell us when, at his baptism by John.
If I ever need anyone that is an expert at jumping to conclusions, I will look you up.
Don't hold your breath!
oatmeal
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
His son is a created Godlike spirit, who came to this world IN his human son Jesus.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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