[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

That's correct.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

But Peter was talking about judgment day. So Christians will be judged first according to Peter.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by genuineoriginal

Perish and separation are not the same thing, and anyone that thinks they are is a fool.

Your completely unsubstantiated assertion is noted.



Gaudium de veritate,

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[Nick M]

Originally Posted by meshak

But Peter was talking about judgment day. So Christians will be judged first according to Peter.

Those in the Body of Christ have already been judged, and Paul says we shall not be judged again. In fact, the red letters say the same thing.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

But Peter was talking about judgment day. So Christians will be judged first according to Peter.

Peter is talking about judgment in the present, for those who are believers / part of the church, as opposed to unbelievers who do not yet have this kind of sharpening in the things of the truth. We as believers especially are to live righteously. Our salvation is in Christ and the gospel pertaining to Him. The unbelievers know not of this. So Peter points out... if it is difficult for the righteous to be saved... what will be the outcome of the godless man and the sinner??

1 Peter 4:15 Make sure that none of you suffers as a murderer, or thief, or evildoer, or a troublesome meddler;

1 Peter 4:16 but if anyone suffers as a Christian, he is not to be ashamed, but is to glorify God in this name.

1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

1 Peter 4:18 AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER?

1 Peter 4:19 Therefore, those also who suffer according to the will of God shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Peter is talking about judgment in the present, for those who are believers

You are wrong. You are misusing the verses.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

You are wrong. You are misusing the verses.

He said it is time. Do you think this to mean it is time for end time judgment or resurrection? I don't believe that is what he is talking about. How do you escape the wrath to come? By something happening in the present. And it happens in the church, the body of Christ.

Do you believe he is talking about Israel perhaps?

The household of God.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

The household of God.

The household of God is His followers.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

The household of God is His followers.

And we live in the present, and we live for Christ, and our lives are changed, that we would not be judged with the world.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

And we live in the present, and we live for Christ, and our lives are changed, that we would not be judged with the world.

Professed Christians will be judge more severely than non-believers if we are not obedient to Jesus. And the Chrisian leaders are even more severely if they are not obedient to Him.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

Professed Christians will be judge more severely than non-believers if we are not obedient to Jesus. And the Chrisian leaders are even more severely if they are not obedient to Him.

We need to obey what we know we need to obey.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

We need to obey what we know we need to obey.

Jesus makes it clear what we ought to obey. You dont make your own standerds.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

Jesus makes it clear what we ought to obey. You dont make your own standerds.

Some people know more of what they ought to obey than others.

[meshak]

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Some people know more of what they ought to obey than others.

Of course, that's why Jesus judges us if we are sincerely striving to be obedient to Him; how we served Him and how we practiced what He teaches and commands.

You are switching around the point I am talking about constantly. This is your tactic to avoid answering what I ask you.

It is not honest, friend. It is deceitful tactic.

You should get rid of you pride.

[Gurucam]

Originally Posted by meshak

this is too lengthy. What is your point.

thanks.

Originally Posted by steko View Post
Yes....I believe, based on what I see in the scripture, that believers are judged before unbelievers.
For instance, my sins were judged two-thousand years ago on the cross when He became sin for me. Therefore there is now no condemnation(Krisis-judgement) for those who are in Christ Jesus(Ro 8:1). I now have peace with GOD through faith in Jesus Christ(Ro 5:1) All that is left to judge(bema-Grk atheletic games) for the believer is how I have served Him as I have yielded to the Spirit since the point of justification.

It seems plain to me that all the dead(unbelievers) are judged after the thousand-year reign of Christ and are judged according to their works(Act 17:31, Rev 20).

Originally Posted by Untellectual

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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My question: Were any found written in the book of life.

Untellectual, You seem right. Believers are not judged any more.

Only unbelievers are judged under the law, invariably and also under other laws and canons which they chose to esteem.

However "believers" must be properly defined.

A revelation state that one must confess with thy mouth and believe in thy heart.

Therefore 'believing' and 'believers' are absolutely linked to one's heart or spirit.

A 'believer' is one who know in his own heart. That is, his heart is not waxed gross. Some people's hearts are waxed gross (covered over) and therefore they cannot know Truth (re. Matthews: 13 verses: 10 to 16)

A 'believer' is one who have seek ye first the kingdom of God within his own heart and have captured it.

God sent the Spirit of Jesus into the hearts of those under the law so that they might become adopted children of God. This Spirit passes all knowledge. This is achieved intuitively through intuitive communion with the Spirit through one's own heart or spirit

This is how one believes/knows with one's heart. This is how one becomes a 'believer'.

The believers are the ones written in the book. They are intuits. Only intuits can have communion with the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth. Only the Spirit of Truth passes All Truth.

To know things intuitively is to know things spiritually. This is to know things directly from the Spirit within our own hearts. Intuitive discernment relates spiritual discernment. To discern intuitively is to be on the right side of God. Intuitions operates through our right side brain. Only those on the right side are chosen for God's kingdom.

Those who discern the Spirit and are led into all their works by precisely what the Spirit has in mind for them to pray for, say and do, as discerned within their own hearts or spirits, are not judged. At all events they are glorified by God and they are saved and delivered (even if they transgress all ideals and laws of society, morality and religiosity, including the Ten Commandments) . They must, however, uphold all the laws of the land.

To know things from the scriptures is to know things intellectually. This is to know things through our natural man or carnal side. Nothing good comes through our natural man or carnal side. These thing come through physical hearing and physical reading thing (like the scriptures and the law). Truth does not come through this path way. This path way operates/functions through our left side brain. This is to be on the left side of God. Those on the left side are not chosen. Such people are judged. They are judged under the law and all other laws and all other ideas and laws which they esteem. They all fall short of the glory of God and are sent to that hot and uncomfortable place 'down under the ground'.

[Untellectual]

Originally Posted by meshak

Of course, that's why Jesus judges us if we are sincerely striving to be obedient to Him; how we served Him and how we practiced what He teaches and commands.

You are switching around the point I am talking about constantly. This is your tactic to avoid answering what I ask you.

It is not honest, friend. It is deceitful tactic.

You should get rid of you pride.

This thread was not about your point. It is not deceitful to share with you what I have learned and am learning of God.