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May 12th, 2012, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bigbang123
Trayvon Martin gets chased down and shot for the crime of walking down the street in a hoodie while black, and authorities don't even see fit to charge the shooter. Previously, in nearby Jacksonville, a black woman, having been attacked by her husband, under threat of death, fired a warning shot that hit nobody. She just got 20 years for aggravated assault.
(I guess it's only "Stand Your Ground" law if you are white.)
Blacks are 14% of America's population, and 40% of the prison population.
Our criminal justice system is systemically racist nation wide. And this isn't based on anecdotal evidence.
Bull...this is a product of the same type of overzealous prosecution that the stand your ground laws were enacted to attempt to guard against. You will notice that Corey is the Prosecutor here also. To charge this woman as she was is just as much of a miscarridge of justice as the murder charge against Zimmerman. I agree we have issues to be addressed here (much more than just one) but insistutional rascism is not one of them. If you want to start pulling that card then go play with Sharpton.
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May 12th, 2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by The Barbarian
Hard to shake a bad reputation. A few emails depicting a black man as an ape, a couple of signs that Bull Conner would have loved, and people assume they're racists.
How unfair.
ITT whitey's is just tryin' to keep a brutha down.
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
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To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
Trayvon Martin gets chased down and shot for the crime of walking down the street in a hoodie while black, and authorities don't even see fit to charge the shooter. Previously, in nearby Jacksonville, a black woman, having been attacked by her husband, under threat of death, fired a warning shot that hit nobody. She just got 20 years for aggravated assault.
(I guess it's only "Stand Your Ground" law if you are white.)
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May 12th, 2012, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TomO
Bull...this is a product of the same type of overzealous prosecution that the stand your ground laws were enacted to attempt to guard against. You will notice that Corey is the Prosecutor here also. To charge this woman as she was is just as much of a miscarridge of justice as the murder charge against Zimmerman. I agree we have issues to be addressed here (much more than just one) but insistutional rascism is not one of them. If you want to start pulling that card then go play with Sharpton.
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ITT whitey's is just tryin' to keep a brutha down.
Amen TomO!
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May 12th, 2012, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbang123
Regarding your friend Sharpton - even a clock that is brokern is right twice a day
Then I'll take it for granted in the future that you all three share comparable critical thinking skills.
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
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To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
I agree we have issues to be addressed here but institutional rascism is not one of them.
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New voter ID laws and registration rules are on the books in 17 states and more are in the pipeline
25% of African-American voting age citizens have no government issued photo ID, compared to 8% of whites of voting age.
(according to Brennan Center for Justice at New York University)
Trayvon Martin gets chased down and shot for the crime of walking down the street in a hoodie while black, and authorities don't even see fit to charge the shooter. Previously, in nearby Jacksonville, a black woman, having been attacked by her husband, under threat of death, fired a warning shot that hit nobody. She just got 20 years for aggravated assault.
(I guess it's only "Stand Your Ground" law if you are white.)
Blacks are 14% of America's population, and 40% of the prison population.
Our criminal justice system is systemically racist nation wide. And this isn't based on anecdotal evidence.
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May 14th, 2012, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bigbang123
You are right, institutional racism does not exist in this country.
Nice try...get with the program and stick with the situation you raised. If you can't properly discern this situation then you are hardly equipped to judge others which may or may not be caused by institutional racism, minimum mandatory issues, corrupt officials, overzealous prosecution, rediculous/outdated laws or any other numerous issues which reside in the American Injustice System.
Destroy another fetus now, we don't like children anyhow, I've seen the future baby......... It is Murder.
~Leonard Cohen
To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic.
~Ted Nugent
A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin....
The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long, were first revealed in photos obtained exclusively by ABC News last month.
A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin....
The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long, were first revealed in photos obtained exclusively by ABC News last month.
A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin....
The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long, were first revealed in photos obtained exclusively by ABC News last month.
And if someone follows you and confronts you, with a gun, does not identify himself, are you not going to fight back?
Stand your ground means Treyvon should have been able to use deadly force if HE felt threatened. And this is the problem with laws like this, one of the two people is dead. Why should you assume the unarmed dead person is in the wrong, even if the other person is beaten up? Nobody should have ended up dead in this situation.
“We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.
And if someone follows you and confronts you, with a gun, does not identify himself, are you not going to fight back?
Stand your ground means Treyvon should have been able to use deadly force if HE felt threatened. And this is the problem with laws like this, one of the two people is dead. Why should you assume the unarmed dead person is in the wrong, even if the other person is beaten up? Nobody should have ended up dead in this situation.
Exactly. Zimmerman picked a fight and got in over his head (which I've said since, what, the very beginning?) This sends a message to cowboys, buttheads, thugs, and self-appointed heroes and bullies the world over: start a fight, and you can always finish it with a gun if the guy you provoke happens to get the upper hand.
How manly. How tough. How impressive.
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May 16th, 2012, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Alate_One
And if someone follows you and confronts you, with a gun, does not identify himself, are you not going to fight back?
Stand your ground means Treyvon should have been able to use deadly force if HE felt threatened. And this is the problem with laws like this, one of the two people is dead. Why should you assume the unarmed dead person is in the wrong, even if the other person is beaten up? Nobody should have ended up dead in this situation.
Stand your ground is one thing. It's necessity is not necearrily invalidated by this situation, imho. However, the facts remain that Mr. Zimmerman was apparently "self-appointed" for this duty and he DIRECTLY DISOBEYED ORDERS FROM THE POLICE DISPATCHER.
Therein, I believe, lies the crux of the situation.
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May 16th, 2012, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bybee
Stand your ground is one thing. It's necessity is not necearrily invalidated by this situation, imho. However, the facts remain that Mr. Zimmerman was apparently "self-appointed" for this duty and he DIRECTLY DISOBEYED ORDERS FROM THE POLICE DISPATCHER.
Therein, I believe, lies the crux of the situation.
And the only reason we know he did this is he called 911. What do you think happens in the 20 other instances where there's no 911 record of one person harassing or chasing the other and one person ends up dead? The dead person can't testify as to what happened. By allowing a stand your ground defense you give the shooter the benefit of the doubt and allow people to essentially go out and shoot someone with little risk to yourself of prosecution. I'm not against gun rights but giving people a license to kill is nuts.
“We do not believe in God because we need to explain this or that feature of the world. That is what science is for. We believe in God because we see something deeper in the world, something that transcends the scientific explanations.” - Karl Giberson Ph.D.
Amen TomO!
May 16th, 2012, 06:16 AM
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