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The pope... and St Mt 16:18 - May 17th, 2012, 04:20 PM
the psg means pretty much what it says, as many passages in the Word do

You are chosen, Peter

I will change your name (something that was done in OT times to signify a BIG change... an important office is being bestowed on someone)

you will be the earthly head of the Church

and all popes who follow you will be the same

and i will protect this Church of mine from teaching error...

and the powers of Satan himself will not prevail against my Church
   
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Post May 17th, 2012, 04:33 PM
Here's an excellent article on the subject, which even quotes several prominent Evangelical Protestants in favor of the fact that Jesus' reference to "this Rock" is directed specifically to Peter:
"St. Peter, the Rock, the Keys, & the Primacy of Rome in the Early Church"


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May 17th, 2012, 04:38 PM
The Rock upon which the Church is built is Christ . It is not built upon man.




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May 17th, 2012, 04:40 PM
thanks

i copy/pasted it to read later..

running out of time..

some read the Bible and only learn

what they already believe in...

i suppose we are all capable of such

which is why we need this Church Jesus

also knew we needed...



   
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May 17th, 2012, 04:41 PM
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The Rock upon which the Church is built is Christ . It is not built upon man.
yeh right

J was talking to Himself, i presume???

"Thou art a Rock, Self... and on this Self i will build My Church

and no dadgum Peter or anyone else is going to run it..."



   
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May 17th, 2012, 04:42 PM
words and concepts that do not appear in this passage
  • pope
  • bishop
  • Rome
  • infallible
  • apostolic succession
  • teaching

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the psg means pretty much what it says, as many passages in the Word do

You are chosen, Peter

I will change your name (something that was done in OT times to signify a BIG change... an important office is being bestowed on someone)

you will be the earthly head of the Church

and all popes who follow you will be the same

and i will protect this Church of mine from teaching error...

and the powers of Satan himself will not prevail against my Church



   
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May 17th, 2012, 04:43 PM
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yeh right

J was talking to Himself, i presume???

"Thou art a Rock, Self... and on this Self i will build My Church

and no dadgum Peter or anyone else is going to run it..."
Get real. No Christ, no Church!




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Get real. No Christ, no Church!
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words and concepts that do not appear in this passage
  • pope
  • bishop
  • Rome
  • infallible
  • apostolic succession
  • teaching
well, a brain doesn't apper to exist in... some ...

oh never mind...
   
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The Rock upon which the Church is built is Christ . It is not built upon man.
Already directly refuted in Post #3 (the second part of your statement, that is).



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May 17th, 2012, 04:53 PM
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true...
Don't believe me, believe the Word!

Psalm 118:22
The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone.

Matthew 21:42
Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone. This was the LORD’s doing, And it is marvelous in our eyes’?

Mark 12:10
Have you not even read this Scripture: ‘The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone.

Luke 20:17
Then He looked at them and said, “What then is this that is written: ‘The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone’?

Acts 4:11
This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’

1 Peter 2:6
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”

1 Peter 2:7
Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, “The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,”




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May 17th, 2012, 04:55 PM
There is no record of Peter going to Rome.

There is no record that Peter was a pope.

More Catholic fantasy.
   
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May 17th, 2012, 04:57 PM
I wonder why this statement doesn't appear in ANY OTHER GOSPEL.

It must not be important.

Peter was a Judas anyhow.
   
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There is no record of Peter going to Rome. There is no record that Peter was a pope. More Catholic fantasy.
Already categorically refuted in Post #2 above. Moving on...



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Already categorically refuted in Post #3 above. Moving on...



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Post 2, it's too long and lengthy a cut and paste to look for the answer. Be more specific.




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