Noah had 3 sons and there are 3 origins of peoples
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May 18th, 2012, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by I aint no monkey
Noah had 3 sons and there are 3 origins of peoples
• Caucasian races (Aryans, Hamites, Semites)
I know Hamites are descended from Ham and Semites are decended from Shem, but where in the Bible does it say Noah's third son's name was Ary? My Bible calls him Japheth.
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May 18th, 2012, 04:16 PM
A YE creationist explains it all here... Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites. ...It is also obvious that the prophecy is a divine description of future facts, in no way needing the deliberate assistance of man for its accomplishment. Neither Negroes nor any other Hamitic people were intended to be forcibly subjugated on the basis of this Noahic declaration. The prophecy would be inevitably fulfilled because of the innate natures of the three genetic stocks, not by virtue of any artificial constraints imposed by man.
ICR director Henry Morris, The Beginning Of the World, Second Edition (1991), pp. 147-148
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May 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM
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A YE creationist explains it all here... The Chamites
The natives and tribes which descent from Cham are enumerated in Genesis 10:6-20. They are divided into four great families: Chus, Mesram, Phuth, and Chanaan. The Cushites are found in the valleys of the Euphrates and Tigris, in Arabia, and also in Africa. Mesram is Egypt. Phuth, less known, seems to have occupied regions west of Egypt, particularly Libya. Chanaan comprised the numerous tribes whose country was subsequently occupied by Israel. The Chamites were, consequently, spread over an immense extent of territory. They founded the greatest empires of antiquity, Assyria, Babylonia, Egypt, Phoenicia. In Asia they were early replaced or subjugated by Semites. In Africa they have been likewise overcome, in the course of time, by the races of Sem and Japhet. This subjection has meant, in general, the triumph of a higher civilization, purer morals, and a more spiritual religion.
(See Lenormant, "Hist. ancienne de l'Orient", I, 96 sq.)
He came from Stoke-on-Trent,England they drop there h's there, his real name was Harry.
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I know Hamites are descended from Ham and Semites are decended from Shem, but where in the Bible does it say Noah's third son's name was Ary? My Bible calls him Japheth.
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May 18th, 2012, 06:29 PM
G.O. tries some of his "clever deception":
(the following posted by G.O. who pretended Barbarian posted it) The Chamites
The natives and tribes which descent from Cham are enumerated in Genesis 10:6-20. They are divided into four great families: Chus, Mesram, Phuth, and Chanaan. The Cushites are found in the valleys of the Euphrates and Tigris, in Arabia, and also in Africa. Mesram is Egypt. Phuth, less known, seems to have occupied regions west of Egypt, particularly Libya. Chanaan comprised the numerous tribes whose country was subsequently occupied by Israel. The Chamites were, consequently, spread over an immense extent of territory. They founded the greatest empires of antiquity, Assyria, Babylonia, Egypt, Phoenicia. In Asia they were early replaced or subjugated by Semites. In Africa they have been likewise overcome, in the course of time, by the races of Sem and Japhet. This subjection has meant, in general, the triumph of a higher civilization, purer morals, and a more spiritual religion.
(See Lenormant, "Hist. ancienne de l'Orient", I, 96 sq.)
Your dishonesty aside, doesn't your guy know that Assyrians and Phoenicians were Semites? It's no shame to be ignorant of the details of history, but it is a shame to pretend to know, when one does not know.
What I actually wrote was:
A YE creationist explains it all here...
Yet the prophecy again has its obverse side. Somehow they have only gone so far and no farther. The Japhethites and Semites have, sooner or later, taken over their territories, and their inventions, and then developed them and utilized them for their own enlargement. Often the Hamites, especially the Negroes, have become actual personal servants or even slaves to the others. Possessed of a genetic character concerned mainly with mundane matters, they have eventually been displaced by the intellectual and philosophical acumen of the Japhethites and the religious zeal of the Semites. ...It is also obvious that the prophecy is a divine description of future facts, in no way needing the deliberate assistance of man for its accomplishment. Neither Negroes nor any other Hamitic people were intended to be forcibly subjugated on the basis of this Noahic declaration. The prophecy would be inevitably fulfilled because of the innate natures of the three genetic stocks, not by virtue of any artificial constraints imposed by man.
ICR director Henry Morris, The Beginning Of the World, Second Edition (1991), pp. 147-148
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May 18th, 2012, 07:10 PM
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doesn't your guy know that Assyrians and Phoenicians were Semites? It's no shame to be ignorant of the details of history, but it is a shame to pretend to know, when one does not know.
Sorry you are so dense, but it is your guy you are complaining about.
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May 18th, 2012, 07:50 PM
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I know Hamites are descended from Ham and Semites are decended from Shem, but where in the Bible does it say Noah's third son's name was Ary? My Bible calls him Japheth.
Well you are correct. The point of the post is that Noah had 3 sons and there are 3 origins of peoples. So the allegory of Noah and the allegory of the Tower of Babel actually affected reality which is extraordinary.
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May 18th, 2012, 07:55 PM
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Well you are correct. The point of the post is that Noah had 3 sons and there are 3 origins of peoples. So the allegory of Noah and the allegory of the Tower of Babel actually affected reality which is extraordinary.
The point of my post was that you missed on the table of nations by having the two sons that are the fathers of the non-caucasian races listed as caucasians, but don't have the actual father of the caucasian races listed anywhere.
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