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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
May 26th, 2012, 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by HisServant
The Didache is highly controversial. The RCC doesn't even agree with most of it. Its also 74 years after Christ's resurrection... a LOT can change in 74 years.
Given that HS can't deny that such pro-Catholic statements are indeed attributed to the early Church Fathers, his only anti-Catholic option is to try to discredit or dismiss the Fathers themselves. Most anti-Catholics won't go to such desperately subscholarly extremes in their rejection of Christ's historic Church, but HS appears to have no shame whatsoever in this regard. Of course, this says far more about him than it ever could about Christ's historic Catholic Church.
Gaudium de veritate,
"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
History of a 'Eucharist' -
May 26th, 2012, 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by TruthSetsFree
We have written records that go back to the time of the Apostles
the Didache is a book of Christian beliefs and practices that most Christians, even Catholics don't know much about. i myself dont know a lot about it... but i have read parts of it
you will see
You will note that this writing (and the community who used it) has a 'eucharist' that does not emphasize Jesus death or resurrection (or any vicarious atonement sentiment), but celebrates communion with Jesus in the Kingdom of God, a spiritual sharing as it were, including all as 'Israel', a covenant community. Such was a memorial of thanksgiving. So this cannot be used as proof that this or any other christian sect had a ritual-ceremony that is 'exactly' the same as the one being used by orthodox christians (catholic or otherwise) today.
Chapter 9. The Thanksgiving (Eucharist)
Now concerning the Thanksgiving (Eucharist), thus give thanks. First, concerning the cup: We thank you, our Father, for the holy vine of David Your servant, which You made known to us through Jesus Your Servant; to You be the glory for ever. And concerning the broken bread: We thank You, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You made known to us through Jesus Your Servant; to You be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Your Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Your kingdom; for Yours is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever. But let no one eat or drink of your Thanksgiving (Eucharist), but they who have been baptized into the name of the Lord; for concerning this also the Lord has said, Give not that which is holy to the dogs. Matthew 7:6
Chapter 10. Prayer After Communion
But after you are filled, thus give thanks: We thank You, holy Father, for Your holy name which You caused to tabernacle in our hearts, and for the knowledge and faith and immortality, which You made known to us through Jesus Your Servant; to You be the glory for ever. You, Master almighty, created all things for Your name's sake; You gave food and drink to men for enjoyment, that they might give thanks to You; but to us You freely gave spiritual food and drink and life eternal through Your Servant. Before all things we thank You that You are mighty; to You be the glory for ever. Remember, Lord, Your Church, to deliver it from all evil and to make it perfect in Your love, and gather it from the four winds, sanctified for Your kingdom which You have prepared for it; for Yours is the power and the glory for ever. Let grace come, and let this world pass away. Hosanna to the God (Son) of David! If any one is holy, let him come; if any one is not so, let him repent. Maran atha. Amen. But permit the prophets to make Thanksgiving as much as they desire.
(note also the above can fit perfectly within a 'Unitarian' perspective as well)
A likely date for the Didache is 100 AD, or a possible spectrum from 50-120 A.D.
Interestingly, one of the earliest mention of a 'eucharist' practice is from Paul (I Cor. 11, 50 - 60 AD), which he says he 'received from the Lord'....which may indicate that this 'ritual' originated with him, borrowing from earlier mystery-religion mythologies or archetypes, investing his own spiritual interpretations therein. Whether Jesus actually initiated the Eucharist or it was later incorporated into the gospels as a development popularized by Paul is interesting, but needs further research.