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Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
I don't think so, but i don't know about a form of God.
Looks to me that Christ was a form of God and he gave it up to become a man. Phill 2.
So I guess I would have to say yes to a form of God.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
Tit 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Or do you believe that GOD the Father is going to actually 'appear' and be seen?
Does God appear to be in this world today?
I think so. At least his spirit is, and he is spirit.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; andone Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Listen to Paul:
Rom 15:6 so that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.
Jesus has a God, he was sent by his God.
When you face Jesus in the eternal age, will you ask, "Show me God, your Father." Do you think Jesus will say, "Don't you know me, keypurr, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show me your Father?" (see John 14:8-9)
I think so. At least his spirit is, and he is spirit.
GOD is infinite invisible spirit being.
He does not 'appear', is not seen.....unless it is in the 'form' of the 'Shekinah Glory' , the Angel of YHVH, or in the person of His Son, who is the image of the invisible GOD.
GOD united with man in the person of Jesus Christ so that we could 'see' GOD and know GOD face to face.
If you don't know GOD in Jesus Christ, you don't know the true GOD.
Appear, appearing:
ἐπιφάνεια
epipháneia; gen. epiphaneías, fem. noun from epiphaínō (G2014), to appear. An appearing, appearance. Epipháneia is spoken of the first advent of the Lord Jesus (2Ti_1:10). Epiphaínō (G2014) in the mid. pass. form, epiphaínomai, to appear, to manifest oneself. Epipháneia is used only by Paul for the second and future appearance of the Lord (2Th_2:8; 1Ti_6:14; 2Ti_4:1, 2Ti_4:8; Tit_2:13 [cf. Luk_1:78-79]).
-Spiros Zodhiates-Complete Word Study Dictionary
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In Titus 2:13 'appearing' means to be literally seen with the eye.
Spirit in both Hebrew and Greek is analogous to 'wind'.
Have you ever literally seen the wind?
Likewise, Spirit is not seen with the eye....only its' effects are seen.
According to Titus 2:13, Jesus Christ, who is the true GOD and Saviour, will be literally seen with the eye.
GOD is infinite invisible spirit being. He does not 'appear', is not seen.....unless it is in the 'form' of the 'Shekinah Glory' , the Angel of YHVH, or in the person of His Son, who is the image of the invisible GOD.
GOD united with man in the person of Jesus Christ so that we could 'see' GOD and know GOD face to face.
If you don't know GOD in Jesus Christ, you don't know the true GOD.
God made him a man. He sent his spirit into Mary to make a man. The image spirit of himself came at his baptism. Then Jesus became a form of God. We do agree that he is a form of God I hope. Unless you wish to take Phillipians out of your Bible. You might want to discard Hebrews and Colossians also.
No, Jesus was not "a form of God." He was God.
His form was God before He took on the form of a man.
By your reasoning, Jesus wasn't really a man, He was just in the form of a man. A butterfly was in the form of a caterpillar before it took on the appearance of a butterfly. So, you can't say that butterfly became a form of the caterpillar. See how you've got it backwards?
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Your wrong again. I said he has deity. God gave him Deity. You say he is God, the Apostle Paul and I say he is a FORM of God. He has deity. it is not me who is downplaying his position friend. I am just quoting Paul.
Don't put yourself in company with Paul because that is not what Paul said.
Philippians 2:5-7
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God (a caterpillar), thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (a caterpillar) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, (butterfly) and was made in the likeness of men: (butterfly)
Christ is the image of God. He held the image spirit of God. That came with a degree of deity. This is what Paul wrote, not me. You just do not want to see it. Your choice. He was a form of God. Not God, a form of God. An IMAGE of God. An exact copy, deity and all. I never said he was the image of man. I'm saying that Jesus had the image of God IN him.
No, He was in the form of a caterpillar (God) from the beginning...the very image of a caterpillar (God).
Friend, being a non trin does not mean one denies that Jesus is the Christ. Your verse with Peter tell you exactly who Jesus is. It does not say that Jesus is God, it says that he is the Son of God.
OMG. What's the matter with you people? What difference does it make what ideas we may entertain so long as we were spiritually acquainted with the ideal of the Father's infinite and eternal nature?
Notice the 'problems' are only within the human mind, and its various concepts of 'God', yet when these concepts are relaxed and 'God' is accepted as the original, pervading, immanent and transcendent Reality-source....there is only 'God'. - all else are 'interpretations' of mind, the play of 'language' and 'dimension' (the theatre of space-time).
Read this sometime and let me know what you think afterward.
Of course not! Paul said that Jesus is the servant of the Circumcision, Romans 15:8. He is not less than the Circumcision.
Paul also said that the man is the head of the wife as God is the head of Christ. The wife is not less than her husband. So Christ is not less than God. The wife is not lesser "man" than her husband. So Christ is not lesser God than His own Father.
no problems with 'God' -
July 5th, 2012, 02:21 PM
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