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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 1st, 2012, 06:28 PM
Poster glorydaz says I an antichrist among other things like rabbid dog etc.
Congratulations glorydaz, you have set the agenda, so do not blame me.
Now we will see who speaks the truth, so here are your questions--
1. Show by scripture just what the early church preached whereby in believing one may be saved.
2. Show from scripture that unless one believes that Jesus is God the creator that one is going to hell.
3. Show from scripture that one who believes as Peter confessed in Mat.ch 16 as I do, is going to hell and is a rabbid dog.
4. Show how one who believes 1john 5:1 , and-
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
and confesses--
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
are going to hell?
Now the onus is on you glorydaz to prove that such a person as myself who believes these things as written, shall go to hell because I believe ----
God can not be tempted to sin or die.
Jesus was tempted to sin and He did die.
Jesus is a man raised up by God who came and dwelt in Him after God had prepared Him for 30 years to receive Him at His baptism.
Jesus was the first man to receive God to live in him before resurrection.
This is a response to the words of glorydaz who said--
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Just last night, I was thinking of how wonderful it would be if believers could actually discuss this without the antichrists jumping in with both feet every other post. And, they are antichrists for they deny the deity of our Lord and Saviour. They are against Him. They spend every bit of their effort trying to tear down His Glory like a pack of wolves on the scent.
The Trinity can be complicated and hard to fully understand, but there is NO EXCUSE for believing any mere man, or even some weird concocted "spirit image," could reconcile us to God by taking away the sins of the world. There is such WILLFUL BLINDNESS by those who claim they know what's written, and then turn and attack like rabid dogs, showing they have NO FRUIT. It's pathetic, but, such has always been the case. We could shake the dust off our feet and just converse among ourselves.....I, for one, would love to speak with my brothers in the Lord without this constant barrage of hate and condemnation...and then we get called "mean."
2. Show from scripture that unless one believes that Jesus is God the creator that one is going to hell.
The Father Himself called Jesus "God" and said that the heavens and the earth are the work of His hands, Hebrews 1:8-10. So you explain how you can contradict the Father to His face and not go to hell.
Even Oatmeal admitted that you committed "alternation of subject" in Hebrews 1:10. The Father was speaking to the Son calling Him God and saying that the creation was the work of His hands. So it is upon YOU to show how one can call the Father a liar and not go to hell.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 1st, 2012, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote
The Father Himself called Jesus "God" and said that the heavens and the earth are the work of His hands, Hebrews 1:8-10. So you explain how you can contradict the Father to His face and not go to hell.
Even Oatmeal admitted that you committed "alternation of subject" in Hebrews 1:10. The Father was speaking to the Son calling Him God and saying that the creation was the work of His hands. So it is upon YOU to show how one can call the Father a liar and not go to hell.
Jesus is the God of the earth, being raised to Gods throne ready to be revealed with all the overcoming saints to rule over the new creation at His return from Heaven.
The creation is the work of the Fathers hands and has given it into the hands of his son but we do not yet see all things subjected tothe son by the Father for when all things are then the son Himself will be subject to the Father that God will be all in all.
Your face is not that of My Heavenly Father who you have never seen , nor that of His Son, who you have never seen either,for indeed your face is much like the devil himself.
Is your name glorydaz?
No .
You do not know that my angel beholds the face of my Father in Heaven, but your angel beholds the face of satan.
Poster glorydaz says I an antichrist among other things like rabbid dog etc.
Congratulations glorydaz, you have set the agenda, so do not blame me.
Now we will see who speaks the truth, so here are your questions--
1. Show by scripture just what the early church preached whereby in believing one may be saved.
2. Show from scripture that unless one believes that Jesus is God the creator that one is going to hell.
3. Show from scripture that one who believes as Peter confessed in Mat.ch 16 as I do, is going to hell and is a rabbid dog.
4. Show how one who believes 1john 5:1 , and-
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
and confesses--
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
are going to hell?
Now the onus is on you glorydaz to prove that such a person as myself who believes these things as written, shall go to hell because I believe ----
God can not be tempted to sin or die.
Jesus was tempted to sin and He did die.
Jesus is a man raised up by God who came and dwelt in Him after God had prepared Him for 30 years to receive Him at His baptism.
Jesus was the first man to receive God to live in him before resurrection.
This is a response to the words of glorydaz who said--
LA
You want me to what? Take the time to sort through that mess?
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I have no political views of this world, and lean towards none that are listed. 2Co 5:17 (GW) Gal 6:15 (GW)
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June 1st, 2012, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon
Poster glorydaz says I an antichrist among other things like rabbid dog etc.
Congratulations glorydaz, you have set the agenda, so do not blame me.
Now we will see who speaks the truth, so here are your questions--
1. Show by scripture just what the early church preached whereby in believing one may be saved.
2. Show from scripture that unless one believes that Jesus is God the creator that one is going to hell.
3. Show from scripture that one who believes as Peter confessed in Mat.ch 16 as I do, is going to hell and is a rabbid dog.
4. Show how one who believes 1john 5:1 , and-
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
and confesses--
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
are going to hell?
Now the onus is on you glorydaz to prove that such a person as myself who believes these things as written, shall go to hell because I believe ----
God can not be tempted to sin or die.
Jesus was tempted to sin and He did die.
Jesus is a man raised up by God who came and dwelt in Him after God had prepared Him for 30 years to receive Him at His baptism.
Jesus was the first man to receive God to live in him before resurrection.
This is a response to the words of glorydaz who said--
LA
Just a suggestion:
LA, why don't you ask for this thread to be posted in the ''one on one section'' that way no one else will be able to post, other than you and Glorydaz, no one else will be able to interfere, and you both won't get sidetracked from other posters comments.
We know that, in "reality", Jesus is God; has always been God however, since He was God 's only "begotten Son", born of a woman of Adam's race, a fair question would be, when He did "actuality" become God___as Man? After all who is coming again in clouds of Glory but a Man, as God. And did He not have to learn the Father__if not , what is obedience all about?
Last edited by Cross Reference; June 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 PM.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 2nd, 2012, 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
You want me to what? Take the time to sort through that mess?
If you want to ask me a question, ask one.
You can always try to answer one question at a time--
1. 1. Show by scripture just what the early church preached whereby in believing one may be saved.
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II Timothy 2:15, Psalms 6:5, I John 3:1-2, Romans 5:1 I John 4:18, I Timothy 2:4-5, II Corinthians 9:8,11, III John 2
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June 2nd, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote
The Father Himself called Jesus "God" and said that the heavens and the earth are the work of His hands, Hebrews 1:8-10. So you explain how you can contradict the Father to His face and not go to hell.
Even Oatmeal admitted that you committed "alternation of subject" in Hebrews 1:10. The Father was speaking to the Son calling Him God and saying that the creation was the work of His hands. So it is upon YOU to show how one can call the Father a liar and not go to hell.
You should read my posts more carefully.
If I miswrote, that is my error.
God created. Only God created.
The son was part of the plan. The vital part of the plan.
I have no problem with the title of authority, god, being applied to those in some kind of authority,.
God said Moses is god. Exodus 7:1
Since God wants to give that title to His son, who was a prophet raised up out of Israel's brethren like unto Moses, I certainly agree that Jesus is a god like unto Moses. A man of God of great authority, authority bestowed upon him by his Father.
oatmeal/the roadrunner
"And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship and in breaking of bread and in prayers." Acts 2:42
"For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?" Psalm 6:5
Jesus is the God of the earth, being raised to Gods throne ready to be revealed with all the overcoming saints to rule over the new creation at His return from Heaven.
The creation is the work of the Fathers hands and has given it into the hands of his son but we do not yet see all things subjected tothe son by the Father for when all things are then the son Himself will be subject to the Father that God will be all in all.
Jesus is the God of the earth? Therefore, He is God. He came in the likeness of sinful man and dwelt among us. He rose again to His former Glory He had from the beginning.
Deuteronomy 4:39
Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Joshua 2:11
And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
BTW, All things were created by, for, and through Jesus Christ. Creation wasn't given to Him...He is the Creator.
You can always try to answer one question at a time--
1. 1. Show by scripture just what the early church preached whereby in believing one may be saved.
LA
The early church preached the Son of God is God...which you deny.
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 2nd, 2012, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
The early church preached the Son of God is God...which you deny.
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
You have not quoted anything which the early church preached whereby in believing one may be saved.
Were you saved by hearing and believing any of these verses you have given??
Nowhere did Jesus say, or the apostles and prophets preach that one must believe the son of God is God to be saved.
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“You do not bring the Name of יהוה (Yahuweh) your Elohim to naught, for יהוה (Yahuweh) does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught."
YeshaYahu (Isaiah) 8:20: To the Torah and to the witness! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because they have no daybreak.
1st Kepha (Peter) 4:11: If anyone speaks, let it be as the Words of Elohim. If anyone serves, let it be as with the strength which Elohim provides, so that Elohim might be praised in it all through יהושע (Yahu'Shua) Messiah, to whom belong the esteem and the rule forever and ever. Amĕn.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 2nd, 2012, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by glorydaz
Jesus is the God of the earth? Therefore, He is God. He came in the likeness of sinful man and dwelt among us. He rose again to His former Glory He had from the beginning.
Deuteronomy 4:39
Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Joshua 2:11
And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
BTW, All things were created by, for, and through Jesus Christ. Creation wasn't given to Him...He is the Creator.
Tell me how One who inherits all things from His Father, made all things He inherits?
Who first owns that which is inherited?
Tell me how Christ has entered Heaven and all angels and powers are made subject to Him if He always had all such authority over them before He was even born?
Tell me how one who has created all things will inherit all things from Himself, if Jesus had created them?
Tell me why Paul had said that we do not see yet all things under His sons feet, if the son now rules over everything which He was promised to be supreme ruler over ?
Tell me how this creator Jesus you have invented, will be subject to God for eternity after all things are put under His feet by His Father?
Your view denies Jesus is a man, Gods son through Mary and resurrection from the dead.
The bottom line is that you do not believe God made a man in His image by which all others who believe in Him may become as the first son is.
You have not quoted anything which the early church preached whereby in believing one may be saved.
Were you saved by hearing and believing any of these verses you have given??
Nowhere did Jesus say, or the apostles and prophets preach that one must believe the son of God is God to be saved.
Try again.
LA
Actually, yes, I was saved through hearing John 1:1 preached. It was preached first by some JWs who came to my door. When they read "A God," I felt like a huge cymbal went off in my head, although not sure why at the time.
Straight away, I was led to an old Jewish lady that was "a completed Jew," as she put it, and she showed me where the JWs were in error about John 1:1. "Honey, let me tell you how it really is," I can hear her as if it was yesterday instead of over 40 years agao. We read the entire chapter, and I believed. It was like the sun had come out on a cloudy day, and the Word of God became LIFE for me. From that day to this, I thank those JWs for coming to my door.
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