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Does God offer salvation? -
June 5th, 2012, 06:24 PM
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Does God offer salvation?
I have heard that God offers salvation and all we have to do is accept God's offer.
I have tried to find the Bible verses that support these statements, but whenever I look for offer and accept in the Bible, it is man offering to God and God accepting.
Note: this thread is in the Exclusively Christian Theology forum but all serious replies to the question will be considered. Thank you.
Does God offer salvation?
I have heard that God offers salvation and all we have to do is accept God's offer.
I have tried to find the Bible verses that support these statements, but whenever I look for offer and accept in the Bible, it is man offering to God and God accepting.
NOOO!! – The word “OFFER” is not in the Book in that sense. To the contrary, Jesus Died, - was crucified, and was buried, and was resurrected!! ( “That’s” not offering anything ). That is called a Cup that we all MUST drink. - The Prophets of Christ are told to PREACH the Gospel. ( That’s not an offering either ). Any lost person hearing the Gospel and is pricked in his heart, and is baptized, shall be saved. – ( There is NO OFFERING IN ANYTHING OF THE GOSPEL. Only the preaching of it. – That is called “The Calling”. - We are Called by the Gospel, not offered anything. It’s true, if one obeys the Gospel, he receives Christ which is our Eternal Life. God does not offer it, man “TOOK” THE LIFE OF CHRIST, and Christ has made a “WAY” for that sinner to be REDEEMED. - There is still no “OFFERING”. – One either has Faith, or he does not have Faith. - Faith is “NOT OFFERED”. One just believes what is PREACHED, or he does not.
Paul – 060512
---Gal. 4:16.
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
NOOO!! – The word “OFFER” is not in the Book in that sense. To the contrary, Jesus Died, - was crucified, and was buried, and was resurrected!! ( “That’s” not offering anything ). That is called a Cup that we all MUST drink. - The Prophets of Christ are told to PREACH the Gospel. ( That’s not an offering either ). Any lost person hearing the Gospel and is pricked in his heart, and is baptized, shall be saved. – ( There is NO OFFERING IN ANYTHING OF THE GOSPEL. Only the preaching of it. – That is called “The Calling”. - We are Called by the Gospel, not offered anything. It’s true, if one obeys the Gospel, he receives Christ which is our Eternal Life. God does not offer it, man “TOOK” THE LIFE OF CHRIST, and Christ has made a “WAY” for that sinner to be REDEEMED. - There is still no “OFFERING”. – One either has Faith, or he does not have Faith. - Faith is “NOT OFFERED”. One just believes what is PREACHED, or he does not.
Paul – 060512
So you do not believe that Ephesians 2:8-9 is an offer of salvation through the grace of God?
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
No, not the God I serve, the God of Heaven and Earth. He gives Salvation to His People as a Free Gift of His Grace !
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
So you do not believe that Ephesians 2:8-9 is an offer of salvation through the grace of God?
Does it say its a offer ?
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Re 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Re 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Re 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
Re 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Re 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Re 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Re 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Re 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
So you do not believe that Ephesians 2:8-9 is an offer of salvation through the grace of God?
It doesn't SAY that it is. It doesn't even say that it's a reword, but it's more of a reword if it's anything, but God doesn't say that it's either, so neither do I, but YOU must, I suppose.
Paul -- 060512
---Gal. 4:16.
---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???
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June 5th, 2012, 07:19 PM
The old Latin word "offero" means to "announce or proclaim."
The gospel is proclaimed ("offero"), as divinely objective truth presented to the world . . . but the gospel is NOT put forth as theory that only has value if it is subjectively "accepted."
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“ Those who proclaim that the sovereignty of God determines what justice is, (do so) by observing what God actually does. Whatever God does is just.”
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