[freelight]

Originally Posted by I aint no monkey

Let me clarify that hell will be worse depending on your bad works. Similarly Heven will be better for some due their good works. Judgement is unique to each individual. We will all be judged by what we do in our bodies, the lost will be judged to see how bad hell will be for them individually and the saved will be judged to see how good Heaven will be for them individually. God's justice is perfect and that is Biblical.

Even leaving asides a 'God' figure or cosmic Judge sitting upon a throne....the law of karma works perfect in appropriating just compensations - what a man sows, that also shall he reap,...measure for measure. Such laws are woven into the very fabric of all movements. Yes, the principle that 'each shall have their own reward' holds,....as each are judged according to their own works or 'action' (which have karmic compensations, naturally). Such is the law of action/re-action, seed/harvest.

However Jesus said that if you aren't with him then you are against him.

Yes, you will notice there are religionists/spiritualists who are not necessarily a part of the traditional/orthodox sects of Christianity but love and respect the Lord Jesus just the same (or more)....and these would be 'with Jesus', so they are by nature NOT against him. A church-membership or acceptance of a particular creed or dogma does not necessarily make one a true follower of Jesus.

If you aren't for Jesus and Christians then you are against them and part of the spirit of the anti-Christ system which serves to persecute Christians. How many Muslims don’t take part of the persecution of Christians but stand by while it happens and even think that it is just? How many atheists go along with the attempted removal of God and Jesus from the public arena which fuels anti-(Christ)ian sentiments? The persecution of Christ(ians) is part of a one world system which is supported, either overtly or covertly, and even possibly inadvertently by all non-Christians.

I am afraid for all non-believers and know what is waiting for them.

Such is a belief, however sentimental. It is bad enough for any soul doing harm to others, which does harm to himself, which he himself reaps. Remember the universal law of karma? Pretty basic here, no matter what religious label you slap on yourself.

"The pure in heart shall see God"

That is sufficient, no matter what religious tradition or spiritual culture you contextualize your experience with reality in.....for 'God' is the sole, absolute and universal Reality.



pj

[Zeke]

I aint no monkey;3090156]Let me clarify that hell will be worse depending on your bad works. Similarly Heven will be better for some due their good works. Judgement is unique to each individual. We will all be judged by what we do in our bodies, the lost will be judged to see how bad hell will be for them individually and the saved will be judged to see how good Heaven will be for them individually. God's justice is perfect and that is Biblical.

I don't think hell is a sound doctrine to begin with, the fruit of it is fear and doesn't match what Jesus taught about Love your enemy, perfect Love casts out fear. Heaven is located where? is it some far off part of the universe or the temple and kingdom said be within the human body, Christ made flesh.

However Jesus said that if you aren't with him then you are against him. If you aren't for Jesus and Christians then you are against them and part of the spirit of the anti-Christ system which serves to persecute Christians. How many Muslims don’t take part of the persecution of Christians but stand by while it happens and even think that it is just? How many atheists go along with the attempted removal of God and Jesus from the public arena which fuels anti-(Christ)ian sentiments? The persecution of Christ(ians) is part of a one world system which is supported, either overtly or covertly, and even possibly inadvertently by all non-Christians.

All religion's speak of the same thing, when their mythology is broken down through the symbolism of astrology praticed by the knower's of old, which is the esoteric science hidden from the exoteric masses by the so called church that invented the doctrine of hell to instill fear not love and mercy that Jesus contradicts, and was a story of regeneration that is not new but old, the Christ within, a universal concept for all men regardless of ones exoteric religious beliefs, knowing is much better than belief, like Love is better than fear and hate.

I am afraid for all non-believers and know what is waiting for them.

Mount Sinia couldn't have said it better!!

[freelight]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I don't think hell is a sound doctrine to begin with, the fruit of it is fear and doesn't match what Jesus taught about Love your enemy, perfect Love casts out fear. Heaven is located where? is it some far off part of the universe or the temple and kingdom said be within the human body, Christ made flesh.

One could say life here in this physical, limited, conditional existence, is 'hell' more or less. Back to what "life is what you make it". All is coordinated by mind, perspective, attitude, point of view,...while all the while there is that pristine pure awareness, that is 'pure consciousness' itself.

The teachings of Jesus presented in the gospels, sermon on the mount, etc. appear to be neglected for formulaic theories of 'salvation' via 'faith', which has seemed to bypass the simple teachings of the Master, if we can interpret such in their purity.

All religion's speak of the same thing, when their mythology is broken down through the symbolism of astrology praticed by the knower's of old, which is the esoteric science hidden from the exoteric masses by the so called church that invented the doctrine of hell to instill fear not love and mercy that Jesus contradicts, and was a story of regeneration that is not new but old, the Christ within, a universal concept for all men regardless of ones exoteric religious beliefs, knowing is much better than belief, like Love is better than fear and hate.

The great masters of more than a few religious traditions have known the 'esoteric science', that 'God' is a universal power and presence, true religion being 'cosmic knowledge', working with and being in harmony with universal laws and principles. It comes back to love being the fulfillment of the law, since if we reduce things down to their essence and movement, we see 'love is the law', and its movement is guided by divine will (such inspires the manifestion of creation).

Mount Sinia couldn't have said it better!!

Well, those waiting for Moses at the base of the mountain were frightened by the thunder and lightning upon the mount, but even more awed by the spiritual glow (nimbus/shekinah) that radiated from Moses face when he came into the assembly. (may we all carry such anointing).

As far as the original laws that fell down and were broken before a new set of plates were made, we can only speculate, but the 10 commandmentss hold their own as fundamental precepts concerning relationships between God and man. Do such laws still hold? of course...as long as they are intrinisic to the those principles which uphold or govern relationships in space-time. Laws and principles hold in their own realms or may be transcended by higher ones, but persist nonetheless.



pj

[DaveDodo007]

Originally Posted by I aint no monkey

How do I know? Because of how bad it is on this earth for believers. Romans 12:19

“They ransacked my house,” Abdi said. “They searched my bag and found several pages from a Bible. “They started torturing me…”

Diya’s youngest son took the Bible outside. Diya’s wife heard him crying and ran to the door. She struggled with the soldiers and one of them fired a single shot. The bullet passed through the boy’s skull and into his mother’s stomach.

Fozia was a secret Christian, and she couldn’t bring herself to follow Islamic law. Each lash of the whip ripped into her flesh. “He also kicked me so hard in the stomach, it caused a miscarriage.”

And let’s not forget what is coming for Christians if the Lord tarries. Repent now and be saved from eternal fire and brimstone.

God Bless

Monkey

Where do non-believers come into this? Even if you don't accept Islam, muslins are still believers? You may think they believe the 'wrong' religion but they are believers and they are showing what a curse blind faith is so you might want to reflect on that.