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I don't see there is a difference. God created man in His image...not just Adam.
Genesis 9:6
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
The original male and female were created 'bara', 'bara', 'bara' as something brand new, in the image and likeness of the Triune creator God. This formula is mentioned in Gen 1 and then again in Gen 5, just before the departure to listing the fallen generations begotten (not created..not 'bara') of Adam...
Not so Kid, it is recorded that his father raised him.
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
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No mention of the word 'Father' in any of those verses, pops!
The meaning of 'Theos' in those verses refers to the Triune God.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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June 9th, 2012, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Apple7
The Trinity.
There are more than three names or titles for the One God. The trinity limits the names/titles. I don't buy it.
There is so much wrong with the trinity doctrine...it is not the gospel, either. Stop pretending it is, and judging people's salvation by it.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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June 9th, 2012, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
So who did Jesus pray to then?
God did not give up being God. He sent his son, not himself.
In his son he put his image spirit. A spirit with deity. Jesus was a form of God.
Jesus prayed to the God that cannot be contained in a flesh body. God is Spirit. God is not in one place at one time, even while made flesh.
God did give up being God, when He was made flesh. Do you think 'flesh' can be God?
He was made lower than the angels for a time.
That time is long past now, He has regained His former glory...as the bible says.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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June 9th, 2012, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 2COR12:9
Have we considered that both Christ and the Father raised the Son?
John 10:18(ESV)
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
Everyone's remembering to debate in love, right?
James 4:11(ESV)
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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June 9th, 2012, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Apple7
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If you are not Trinitarian, then you are not Christian.
Simple Biblical truth.
I don't answer questions anymore to dictators.
If you want to have a discussion, I will answer your question.
godplayers offer nothing for my benefit....christians were well saved way before the trinity doctrine came along. I suppose you would cut them off too?
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 9th, 2012, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Apple7
Show us...
If you are not Trinitarian, then you are not Christian.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 9th, 2012, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NewDay
There are more than three names or titles for the One God. The trinity limits the names/titles. I don't buy it.
There is so much wrong with the trinity doctrine...it is not the gospel, either. Stop pretending it is, and judging people's salvation by it.
Yes.
RCC Trinity doctrine denies that the Father was in Jesus reconciling the world unto Himself, and that Jesus spoke words from His Father.
The light was not the man Jesus, because He died, and needed to be raised by his Father in order to live. His Father is the light who has made His son to be a light by reason of His dwelling in the light and the Father in Him.
Now if Jesus is the light then how could He be described as dwelling IN the light.
Let people glorify God by not denying His raising a son, a man to be in His image to rule over the new creation.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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June 9th, 2012, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon
Yes.
RCC Trinity doctrine denies that the Father was in Jesus reconciling the world unto Himself, and that Jesus spoke words from His Father.
The light was not the man Jesus, because He died, and needed to be raised by his Father in order to live. His Father is the light who has made His son to be a light by reason of His dwelling in the light and the Father in Him.
Now if Jesus is the light then how could He be described as dwelling IN the light.
Let people glorify God by not denying His raising a son, a man to be in His image to rule over the new creation.
LA
Jesus is the Light of the World, due to the fact that He spoke the Father's word. He was the "Father's Word," ...made flesh...but, the term "Father" is just a title name", same as "Word", or "Son", or "Lamb of God", or "Comforter", or the "Almighty God", or the Great "I AM", etc, etc.There are so many.
There is One God, with many title names..."Light of the World" is just another.
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
The trinity basis it's whole theory on limiting the One true God with three names...He has many..each one describes an attribute of Himself...but, one thing is for sure, that the trinity also denies...God really was made FLESH, and that means He was not 100 percent God while in the form of flesh. If He was, there would of been NO death for our sins. God cannot die.
God had to take on the form of flesh in order to get that done, and, while He was in the form of flesh, He never once claimed to be equal with God, but in fact, said the opposite.
Slogan/motto:
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 9th, 2012, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NewDay
Jesus is the Light of the World, due to the fact that He spoke the Father's word. He was the "Father's Word," ...made flesh...but, the term "Father" is just a title name", same as "Word", or "Son", or "Lamb of God", or "Comforter", or the "Almighty God", or the Great "I AM", etc, etc.There are so many
A Father has a son and sons..
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There is One God, with many title names..."Light of the World" is just another.
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Yes speaking to His disciples, but He also walked in the light--
Joh 11:8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
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The trinity basis it's whole theory on limiting the One true God with three names...He has many..each one describes an attribute of Himself...but, one thing is for sure, that the trinity also denies...God really was made FLESH, and that means He was not 100 percent God while in the form of flesh. If He was, there would of been NO death for our sins. God cannot die.
God's word was made flesh. This also occurs to us when we receive His word.
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God had to take on the form of flesh in order to get that done, and, while He was in the form of flesh, He never once claimed to be equal with God, but in fact, said the opposite.
God can not change to anything lesser than He is.
However scripture tells us what happened without the interference of the RCC trinity scripture mechanics.
Slogan/motto:
1 Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
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June 9th, 2012, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon
A Father has a son and sons..
Yes speaking to His disciples, but He also walked in the light--
Joh 11:8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
God's word was made flesh. This also occurs to us when we receive His word.
God can not change to anything lesser than He is.
However scripture tells us what happened without the interference of the RCC trinity scripture mechanics.
LA
I agree for the most part, LA, but the Word was God.
Now, I know that the Word was God in that He was His Heart/Mind/essence of His being, but the logos was God...and, it was changed and came in the form of a flesh man.
Took on human form.
How can we describe the very nature of God/logos?
His character, His thoughts, His inner self....this was the Word. All the essence of His thinking/creating...ability.
I do not know how else to describe it. He was NOT some third person in a trinity, however......
God is only ONE person...and, there was never to be another created after Him:
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.
Isa 43:10 "You are My witnesses," says the LORD, "And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
Have we considered that both Christ and the Father raised the Son?
John 10:18(ESV)
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
Everyone's remembering to debate in love, right?
James 4:11(ESV)
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.
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If Jesus was really dead, then it was his father who raised him.
If he was not really dead, our faith is moot.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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