What does it mean to "Take up your cross and follow me"?
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June 12th, 2012, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bybee
Are you born with it?
When we are Born Again, we are born with the seed of God just as Jesus was.
Jesus was born in the Spirit and in the flesh of the seed of God and that is what makes Jesus Divine. Jesus is not God the Father but He is the true Son of God. I am never told in Scripture to believe anything other than that.
Jesus had no earthly father as we do so he was never separated from God as we are in the flesh so our new birth is a spiritual birth and that spiritual life is what is born or created complete, not the flesh. Our fleshly bodies are born into corruption and must learn of God but the flesh, being corrupt, continues to rebel against the authority of the spirit and will continues to do so until this body of flesh dies. This is the cross (body of death) that we as children must bear and follow after Jesus. We are in this world and not of it.
Galatians 5:13 ¶For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
The borrower is slave to the linder. What makes this country think it is rich and free?
When we are Born Again, we are born with the seed of God just as Jesus was.
Jesus was born in the Spirit and in the flesh of the seed of God and that is what makes Jesus Divine.
To put it that way is to infer God died on the cross__He didn't.
Want proof?:
"For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Psalm 8:5 (KJV)
Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Hebrews 2:7 (KJV)
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Hebrews 2:9 (KJV)
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June 12th, 2012, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Cross Reference
Do you think you have anything to do with this after you are saved__I mean after you are born again?
Of course. That has nothing to do with salvation but the living of the new life already possed and that life informing our carnal existance.
Philippians 4:4 *Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
5 *Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
6 *Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 *And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
8 *Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3 (KJV
Galatians 5:13 ¶For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
The borrower is slave to the linder. What makes this country think it is rich and free?
What does it mean to "Take up your cross and follow me"?
It simply means being one of Christ's Sheep that hear His voice ! Jn10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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June 15th, 2012, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cross Reference
Do you know what "Take up your cross and follow me", means?
What do you believe is one's cross?
To take up the benefits of what Jesus did at the Cross, looking exclusively to what Jesus did there to meet our every need.
"Daily" we have to do this every day -- renew our faith in what Christ has done for us, for Satan will ever try to move us away from the Cross as the Object of our Faith, which always spells disaster.
Christ can only be followed by the Believer looking to Jesus Christ and what He did on the Cross, understanding what it accomplished, and by that means alone [Rom. 6:3–5, 11, 14; 8:1–2, 11; I Cor. 1:17–18, 21, 23; 2:2; Gal. 6:14; Eph. 2:13–18; Col. 2:14–15].
If we try to live our lives outside of Christ and what was accomplished there, we will lose our lives, however, whosoever will lose his life for My sake, Jesus said, the same shall save it (when we place our Faith entirely in Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross for us, looking exclusively to Him, we have just found the “more abundant life” [Jn. 10:10].
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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June 15th, 2012, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cross Reference
An uncontrolled self-control is as an uncontrolled disposition.
Do not understand what you are trying to say.
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Did your disposition change when you were saved? I don't think so. Though we are saved as we are, it is never in God purpose[s] that we remain that way.
If you mean by 'disposition' the inclination or tendency, then, I have to say that mine inclination or tendency did change when I was saved by the Lord.
I used to have the inclination or tendency to not want to have anything to do with God, after the Lord saved me, my inclination or tendency changed and now I do want to have to do with God.
If you mean by 'disposition' the inclination or tendency, then, I have to say that mine inclination or tendency did change when I was saved by the Lord.
I used to have the inclination or tendency to not want to have anything to do with God, after the Lord saved me, my inclination or tendency changed and now I do want to have to do with God.
Great! Now, what about when some one crosses you or cheats you, steals from you? Do you still find yourself wanting their flesh pound flesh?
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 ---
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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June 15th, 2012, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by elected4ever
Every person born of God is a new creation.
That is correct.
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Born of the seed of God and is incapable of sin because the seed remains.
There is nothing in the Bible that says that we are 'incapable of sin' because the seed remains, at least that I can find.
The 'sin nature' was not removed from the Believer. It is made ineffective, but it has not been removed. It is like a light switch when in the off position. There is no light, but when the switch is placed in the on position, light comes into the room.
All the 'sin nature' needs is for something to bring it immediately to life.
Before conversion, the Sin Nature dominates the person. After conversion, “sin (the Sin Nature) shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the Law, but under Grace” (Rom. 6:14). Even though present, it is actually dormant in the Believer until …
Until what? Until the Believer fails the Lord, in other words, sins. Whatever the sin, at that time, the Sin Nature springs to life.
Why did God not remove the 'sin nature' when a person believes in Jesus Christ and what He did at the Cross. To use it to chastise the Believer, when necessary.
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