[Elia]

Originally Posted by rocketman

They did not miss it, they ignore it...

2Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not listen to the sound doctrine, but, having itching ears, will heap up for themselves teachers after their own lusts;
2Tim. 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside to fables.

Bs'd

Here is the sound doctrine, the straightforward teachings of the Bible:


"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One" Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." English Standard Version

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" New American Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." New International Version

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!" New King James Version"



"And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, THE LORD IS ONE; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that HE IS ONE, and there is no other but he; and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."" Mark 12:28-34 Revised Standard Version

“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version

"Here is the most important one. Moses said, 'Israel, listen to me. The Lord is our God. The Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one." New International Readers Version

"Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One." .... "You have correctly said that He is One," Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:" .... "thou hast well said that he is one;" American Standard Version

"Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one." New King James Version

"Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" .... "You have truly said that he is one," English Standard Version

"Jesus said, "The first in importance is, 'Listen, Israel: The Lord your God is one;" .... "A wonderful answer, Teacher! So lucid and accurate—that God is one" The Message

"‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... “You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version



"Now an intermediary implies more than one; but GOD IS ONE." Gal 3:20 Revised Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but GOD IS ONE" King James Version

"A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but GOD IS ONE." New International Version

"Now an intermediary implies more than one, but GOD IS ONE." English Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but GOD IS ONE." American Standard Version

"and the mediator is not of one, and GOD IS ONE" Youngs Literal Translation



"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." James 2:19 Revised Standard Version

"thou -- thou dost believe that GOD IS ONE; thou dost well," Youngs Literal translation

"Thou believest that GOD IS ONE; thou doest well:" American Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Holman Christian Standard Bible.

"*Thou* believest that GOD IS ONE. Thou doest well." Darby Translation.

"It’s good that you believe that GOD IS ONE." Common English Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." English Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Amplified Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE You do well;" New American Standard Bible


So the Bible teaches clearly that God is ONE.



"And J-e-h-o-v-a-h shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall J-e-h-o-v-a-h be one, and his name one." Zach 14:9 American Standard Version

"And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be— “The LORD is one, And His name one." New King James Version

"And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one." English Standard Version

"And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day the Lord shall be one [in the recognition and worship of men] and His name one." Amplified Bible


And NOWHERE in the Bible is it written that God is three, three in one, a trinity, or anything like that.



Eliyahu light unto the nations


"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5

[Elia]

Bs'd

And here is the solution for the whole trinity debate:

http://MountZion.notlong.com


Eliyahu light unto the nations


"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5

[Apple7]

Same Jewish uni posts....different day...

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by voltaire

That isn't true, plus you are still avoiding the original point: Jesus said that he was equal with God. If you are equal with God, you are God.

Then why did he say his father is greater?
And why does he have a God?
His father does not have a God.

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by voltaire

All Matthew 28:18 says is that all authority was given to the man named Jesus, son of Mary. It says nothing at all about all power and authority being given to the eternally existing Son of God.

First, you have absolutely no basis for claiming they were referring to his authority and not his being. Matthew very clearly states that they were seeking to kill him because he was claiming equality with God. Matthew doesn't say squat about authority.

I call you attention to Colossians 1 and Hebrews 1.

Being the exact image of God he was given deity. All before the world existed.

[Bright Raven]

Originally Posted by keypurr

Then why did he say his father is greater?
And why does he have a God?
His father does not have a God.

I think it would be better to answer the question first than to answer by asking more questions.

[Bright Raven]

Originally Posted by keypurr

I call you attention to Colossians 1 and Hebrews 1.

Being the exact image of God he was given deity. All before the world existed.

Why do the Jews continually want to stone Him for making Himself equal with God if it were not so? Why does He say the Father and I are one?

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by Bright Raven

Why do the Jews continually want to stone Him for making Himself equal with God if it were not so? Why does He say the Father and I are one?

Who are the Jews to say the son is equal to God?
If they were right they would have known who he was.
But they had no clue, for they still did not know God.
That's why God sent Jesus.
To bring light to the world.

I have told you why Jesus made the statement about seeing him is seeing the Father.
He is the image of his father. He is the ONLY ONE who has seen God because he was made in the exact image of him. If we let God into our hearts we can be one with him also. Jesus said that.

BR, they are two separate beings, not one. Father and son. One in mind and purpose but two beings. I believe a true God and a created one, you know that.

I do not wish to follow the Jews, I wish to follow Jesus, the son of God. He is Lord of my life. He leads me to his Father, who is God of All.

[Bright Raven]

Originally Posted by keypurr

Who are the Jews to say the son is equal to God?
If they were right they would have known who he was.
But they had no clue, for they still did not know God.
That's why God sent Jesus.
To bring light to the world.

I have told you why Jesus made the statement about seeing him is seeing the Father.
He is the image of his father. He is the ONLY ONE who has seen God because he was made in the exact image of him. If we let God into our hearts we can be one with him also. Jesus said that.

BR, they are two separate beings, not one. Father and son. One in mind and purpose but two beings. I believe a true God and a created one, you know that.

I do not wish to follow the Jews, I wish to follow Jesus, the son of God. He is Lord of my life. He leads me to his Father, who is God of All.

They knew He was claiming to be the SAME as God. You are getting there Keypurr. Two persons, same God.

[Caino]

Originally Posted by Elia

Bs'd

Here is the sound doctrine, the straightforward teachings of the Bible:


"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One" Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." English Standard Version

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" New American Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." New International Version

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!" New King James Version"



"And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, THE LORD IS ONE; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that HE IS ONE, and there is no other but he; and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."" Mark 12:28-34 Revised Standard Version

“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version

"Here is the most important one. Moses said, 'Israel, listen to me. The Lord is our God. The Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one." New International Readers Version

"Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One." .... "You have correctly said that He is One," Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:" .... "thou hast well said that he is one;" American Standard Version

"Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one." New King James Version

"Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" .... "You have truly said that he is one," English Standard Version

"Jesus said, "The first in importance is, 'Listen, Israel: The Lord your God is one;" .... "A wonderful answer, Teacher! So lucid and accurate—that God is one" The Message

"‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... “You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version



"Now an intermediary implies more than one; but GOD IS ONE." Gal 3:20 Revised Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but GOD IS ONE" King James Version

"A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but GOD IS ONE." New International Version

"Now an intermediary implies more than one, but GOD IS ONE." English Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but GOD IS ONE." American Standard Version

"and the mediator is not of one, and GOD IS ONE" Youngs Literal Translation



"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." James 2:19 Revised Standard Version

"thou -- thou dost believe that GOD IS ONE; thou dost well," Youngs Literal translation

"Thou believest that GOD IS ONE; thou doest well:" American Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Holman Christian Standard Bible.

"*Thou* believest that GOD IS ONE. Thou doest well." Darby Translation.

"It’s good that you believe that GOD IS ONE." Common English Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." English Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Amplified Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE You do well;" New American Standard Bible


So the Bible teaches clearly that God is ONE.



"And J-e-h-o-v-a-h shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall J-e-h-o-v-a-h be one, and his name one." Zach 14:9 American Standard Version

"And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be— “The LORD is one, And His name one." New King James Version

"And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one." English Standard Version

"And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day the Lord shall be one [in the recognition and worship of men] and His name one." Amplified Bible


And NOWHERE in the Bible is it written that God is three, three in one, a trinity, or anything like that.



Eliyahu light unto the nations


"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5

plural manifestation of the One


Caino

[RevTestament]

Originally Posted by Bright Raven

Why do the Jews continually want to stone Him for making Himself equal with God if it were not so? Why does He say the Father and I are one?

It is certainly not because they are "one substance," "one being," "co-equal," or "a holy trinity." Now is it. If it were so it seems like Jesus would have said so.

[Wile E. Coyote]

Originally Posted by keypurr

Who are the Jews to say the son is equal to God?

The apostle John also said that the Son of God is equal to God. John 5:18

[student x]

And men were ready to stone Him for HIS own Right. John 10:33

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote

The apostle John also said that the Son of God is equal to God. John 5:18

Read it again Wile. It was the Jews who believed that Jesus was claiming equality. Jesus NEVER said he was equal to his God. He asked them, are you going to stone me for doing my fathers work. He says is father is greater than all, no equality. He say that his father is the only TRUE God. Now that leaves the door open for a lesser or form of God. I believe that the spirit in Jesus is that image of God spirit, so he is a lesser created God. He is one with God yet he is a separate being.

Peace Wile

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by student x

And men were ready to stone Him for HIS own Right. John 10:33

True friend, but how did Jesus answer them? He never said he was God, he said his father was His God. The Jews we're upset by their traditions. They kept God's laws by the letter not by the spirit. Jesus came to make God better known to them but they rejected him.
Peace