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The question being asked is who would one want for the next 10 years. I seriously doubt LeBron will be playing in the NBA 10 years from now at age 37/38. Or if he is, it will be at a greatly reduced level. Durant is only 23, Lebron 27. That is a significant factor. NBA players typically peak in their late 20's. LeBron has a large muscular body (listed at 6'8", 250 lbs), the type that doesn't typically age well in terms on playing in the NBA. How old is 37 in terms of the NBA? Kobe Bryant, who already has 16 years in the NBA, doesn't turn 37 for another three years. And Bryant is already in his decline phase of his career. I suspect Kobe may be out of the NBA by age 37. There's been recent study that shows when NBA players reach roughly 37,000 career minutes their production decline significantly. LeBron already has played 27,497 minutes in his career, not including the playoffs. When LeBron enters his decline phase, Durant will be in the middle his prime. I'd take Durant going forward.
This is kind of what I was thinking. When LeBron's body begins to break down, what's his game going to look like. He just isn't a consistent enough jumpshooter to make it in the NBA that way. He is developing a post game that will help him play "veteran" ball. I do think his court awareness and his passing ability will help extend his career. However, all that won't be able to keep him the league for another ten years.
Durant, on the other hand, needs to improve his body and get stronger, if he wants to have a long playing career. That said, with his length and natural shooting touch, he'll be able to score into his mid to late 30s at a pretty consistent rate. I could see him developing a game that looks very similar to Dirk Nowitzski's....if he can improve his body.
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The question being asked is who would one want for the next 10 years.
Right. And James will win the contest here in year one and is in his prime, which with his conditioning should carry him through the next four to five years. The problem with your general wear rule is that like any generalization it can fail in the particular. I don't completely discard it, but I don't discard Durant being broken by going inside with bigger, stronger bodies. There are a lot of variables.
In the next ten years, with this being year one (given the OP posted in advance of this contest) I'd give a slight edge to James. His scoring is paper thin close to Durant. His facilitation is superior and his mental maturity and all around game will be better than Durant's for at least that same five to six year window.
And I'm not sure Durant has the frame that will take the weight he needs to hold up inside without losing some of the explosiveness that marks his game.
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I'm looking forward to the Heat playing Pistons to Durant's up and coming Thunder/Bulls for a couple of three.
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June 20th, 2012, 11:34 AM
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Right. And James will win the contest here in year one and is in his prime, which with his conditioning should carry him through the next four to five years. The problem with your general wear rule is that like any generalization it can fail in the particular. I don't completely discard it, but I don't discard Durant being broken by going inside with bigger, stronger bodies. There are a lot of variables.
The study done was quite thorough (I'll try to find it again). We can't assume that LeBron will be the exception to that rule. LeBron is a large man, 6'8", 250 lbs. And there are some rumors that his great size was achieved with some help from PED's. All that weight will eventually wear down his legs, joints, tendons, etc. Kobe Bryant himself has serious knee problems. The cartilage in his knees has worn down so much he went to Europe to get an experimental procedure.
In the next ten years, with this being year one (given the OP posted in advance of this contest) I'd give a slight edge to James. His scoring is paper thin close to Durant. His facilitation is superior and his mental maturity and all around game will be better than Durant's for at least that same five to six year window.
And I'm not sure Durant has the frame that will take the weight he needs to hold up inside without losing some of the explosiveness that marks his game.
I guess the question is whether one would rather have LeBron from age 28-37 or Durant from age 24-33? I'd take the younger NBA player.
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June 20th, 2012, 11:39 AM
In the previous 30 times a team was up 3-1 all 30 teams went on to win the NBA title.
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The study done was quite thorough (I'll try to find it again). We can't assume that LeBron will be the exception to that rule. LeBron is a large man, 6'8", 250 lbs.
I think it's a great deal like the average career span in the NFL among running backs. Most last four years and those that last longer tend to lose it around thirty. But there are noteworthy exceptions. And the greatest tend to fall there and not in the average range.
So Karl Malone dominated late. Jordan played dominant ball when his twenties were behind him. And James looks to me like one of those. He carries that weight/muscle without looking blown up. Durant...I don't think he could.
Kobe is just paying the toll for wanting to go inside and to the basket against big men while being under sized, comparatively. It's more surprising that his game is on this level this late.
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And Kobe isn't as heavy as LeBron is.
Or as big and strong. Different frame.
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I guess the question is whether one would rather have LeBron from age 28-37 or Durant from age 24-33? I'd take the younger NBA player.
He's 27 isn't he? And given Durant will have to play James in his prime and with more NBA maturity for the next five, same answer. But it's an interesting question that makes for a fun conversation.
And we'll see who holds up and transitions game better. I'm not convinced Durant is built for that.
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June 20th, 2012, 11:58 AM
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TLeBron is a large man, 6'8", 250 lbs.
And, I think the 250 is a very conservative number. I wouldn't be surprised if he was really 275.
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June 20th, 2012, 12:12 PM
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I think it's a great deal like the average career span in the NFL among running backs. Most last four years and those that last longer tend to lose it around thirty. But there are noteworthy exceptions. And the greatest tend to fall there and not in the average range.
No, the study focused on the star players as well.
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So Karl Malone dominated late. Jordan played dominant ball when his twenties were behind him. And James looks to me like one of those. He carries that weight/muscle without looking blown up. Durant...I don't think he could.
Jordan dominated in his early 30's, not late 30's. Jordan won his last NBA title at age 32. Jordan also won his last MVP at age 32. Jordan retired the second time at age 34. Then he came back at age 38-39 and played two seasons at a greatly reduced level.
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Kobe is just paying the toll for wanting to go inside and to the basket against big men while being under sized, comparatively. It's more surprising that his game is on this level this late.
LeBron doesn't get banged up? His size will eventually work against him as he gets older. He has a lot of weight to carry around that Kobe doesn't have.
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Or as big and strong. Different frame.
Being strong has nothing to do with it. Is being strong going to relieve all the pressure on LeBron's knees and legs as he gets older?
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He's 27 isn't he? And given Durant will have to play James in his prime and with more NBA maturity for the next five, same answer. But it's an interesting question that makes for a fun conversation.
The question being asked is who would I want for the next 10 years which I assume means starting next season. LeBron turns 28 in December. Durant turns 24 in September.
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And we'll see who holds up and transitions game better. I'm not convinced Durant is built for that.
I believe Durant has the advantage going forward simply because of his age. Certainly LeBron is the better player now and probably for the next three years. But I believe t hat in four years Durant will overtake LeBron in performance.
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Which is partly why I said the next five, which would put James ahead in a ten year context. And how old was Malone or Stockton when Utah made their last run. And look at Steve Nash. There are enough examples of the creme of the crop extending dominance into their mid 30s to make my point about generalities.
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LeBron doesn't get banged up? His size will eventually work against him as he gets older. He has a lot of weight to carry around that Kobe doesn't have.
He's better built to take it and has a stronger frame to carry that weight.
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Being strong has nothing to do with it. Is being strong going to relieve all the pressure on LeBron's knees and legs as he gets older?
It does, though bone density is also a factor. Style of play matters as well. Malone isn't even the most famous example of a bigger, heavier man dominating into his 30s. I haven't even touched on a few centers that managed it.
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The question being asked is who would I want for the next 10 years which I assume means starting next season.
Heck, why not assume it starts in five years.
It's closer if you start next year, but I'll still take James in a push.
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I believe Durant has the advantage going forward simply because of his age. Certainly LeBron is the better player now and probably for the next three years. But I believe t hat in four years Durant will overtake LeBron in performance.
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June 20th, 2012, 02:17 PM
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Don't give up hope, kmo. They had a six percent chance of upsetting the Spurs down two games and look what happened. Won't this time, but the few of us in Miami's corner were really looking forward to the sound of all those splashing tears and rending garments. No reason to deprive anyone. Hold onto that hope!
I'm looking forward to the Heat playing Pistons to Durant's up and coming Thunder/Bulls for a couple of three.
You're rooting for the Heat? ok, that's the straw that broke the camel's back. I can't abide that. Welcome to the ignore feature.
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June 21st, 2012, 08:17 AM
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I don't see the Thunder coming back from this.
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