[Colossians]

Hobie,

What you Seventh Day Adventists have missed, is that Christ was slain on the first Sabbath.

Which means God was declaring the law of no eternal value, right from the beginning.

"God rested from His works" is actually figurative language (cloaked in the language of the Torah) for "God died to self".

So you who think you are doing God honour by not working on the Sabbath, are actually doing the very opposite: you are working to try to please God, and thus violating the Sabbath.

You are in fact not living in accord with the following:

"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

For you have not rested from trying to please God, and so are going about trying to establish your own righteousness, which is the mark of all false faiths.

[keypurr]

The Sabbath in the Ten is a weekly Sabbath. It has nothing to do with all the other Sabbaths in the handwritten laws. Folks try to twist then in order to get by their breaking of the law. Break one and you break them all. If you do not steal of murder why would you not keep his seventh day holy for him?

Does your church teach God's laws? If they don't, I would leave them. For to love God is to obey him. It is the intent of your hearts that you will be judged by, and his laws will be opened in front of you on judgement day. His laws tells you what sin is. I don't take them lightly.

[Cruciform]

Originally Posted by Hobie

No, Sunday does not have anything to do with Jesus, it comes from another origin. Here is a good description of the Pagan System of Sun Worship...

Try again. And again. And again. And again.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

[Paulos]

Originally Posted by keypurr

If you do not steal of murder why would you not keep his seventh day holy for him?

Does your church teach God's laws? If they don't, I would leave them.

The early Christian leader Justin Martyr wrote the following in chapter 67 of his First Apology:

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit (2 Corinthians 9:7); and what is collected is deposited with the president (1 Corinthians 16:2), who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter (Genesis 1:3-5), made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead (Mark 16:2, 16:9). For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

Source: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf0....ii.lxvii.html

[Hobie]

Originally Posted by Paulos

The early Christian leader Justin Martyr wrote the following in chapter 67 of his First Apology:

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit (2 Corinthians 9:7); and what is collected is deposited with the president (1 Corinthians 16:2), who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter (Genesis 1:3-5), made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead (Mark 16:2, 16:9). For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

Source: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf0....ii.lxvii.html

Rather than the pagan traditions that man picked up by that time and allowed into the church, read the Bible and see what it says. We cannot just chose any day or another days as the seventh-day Sabbath is not changeable by man or his philosphy or false doctrines or traditions of man. Scripture shows us:

The Seventh Day is the definite time, appointed by God as His holy day. It was made holy after God had finished creating for six consecutive days.

God did not leave any room for picking and choosing, for He said,“the Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. The Sabbath was made for man's benefit, only if he used it as God had intended. Some have written that He gave it to man, and now man can do with it what he wills. No, no, for Jesus said, "not man for the Sabbath." That was the Pharisee's problem, for they had added regulations to the Sabbath intending to make it impossible to break it, but from the start of just one regulation, comes what God calls a profaning of His way. Exodus 20:25 “And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it” Ecclesiastes 3:14, 15 "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past." And so we see that God is perfect and what He has established from the beginning of creation is perfect. Only sin and the Devil and his children seek to do away with God's will and His way.

Scripture tells us to must remember that the Sabbath was given to man by the Lord thy God. You can see in the Messianic prophecies of Isaiah, that the Lord thy God, is none other than Jesus Christ Himself, in His pre-incarnate role. Look at Isaiah 48:17, 18 “Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to my Commandments! Then had thy peace been as a river and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:”

Now lets take a look at what Christ himself presented that shows who He is...


Mark 12:35-37
35While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, "How is it that the teachers of the law say that the Christ[c] is the son of David? 36David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared:
" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet." '[d] 37David himself calls him 'Lord.' How then can he be his son?"
The large crowd listened to him with delight.

Acts 2:29-36
29"Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ,[b] that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. 32God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. 33Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
35until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet." '[c]
36"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Clearly David recognized the Lord thy God, and the Holy One of Israel as God's only Son. Even the doubting Thomas found faith to declare, this in John 20:28,”And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." And so, when we see the title, the Lord thy God, we must see Jesus. Read also John 1:1-3, 14; Colossians 1:16, 17; Hebrews 1:1-3. Jesus is our Creator, and the Lord our God, and that is the reason He titled Himself, the Lord of the Sabbath. Mark 2:28. The New Testament tells of Christ and His Holy day of the Sabbath even after He was crucified. Christ even warned His followers about fleeing Jerusalem 40 years after His ascension on the Sabbath Day. "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day:" Matthew 24:20 so the Sabbath on the seventh day clearly was still to continue. So how can people even think they can change the day or pick any day on a whim or because of 'traditions'....

Mark 7:9
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

[Paulos]

Originally Posted by Hobie

Rather than the pagan traditions that man picked up by that time and allowed into the church, read the Bible and see what it says.

Once again, I will remind you of the scripture references I gave you which liken Christ to the Sun, and which liken the resurrection of Christ to the rise of the Sun on Sunday, all of which is no coincidence. Notice the connection between Sunrise and Sonrise in these verses:

Mark 16:2, 16:6
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen...But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.

When the Sun rose, the Son also rose! That was not a coincidence. The Son's rise was prophesied by Malachi by likening His resurrection to the rise of the Sun:

Malachi 4:2
But to you who fear My name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings;

Notice that Malachi likens Jesus Christ, the Son of God, with the Sun, and compares His resurrection with the rise of the Sun. As the Sun rises (in a manner of speaking), the Son also rises!

Jesus, the Son, is likened to the Sun in Luke 1:67, 78-79 NIV:

His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied: "...because of the tender mercy of our God, by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven to shine on those living in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the path of peace.

Other scripture passages do the same, such as 2 Peter 1:19.

The Sun is the bridegroom in Psalm 19:1, 4-5:

The heavens declare the glory of God...In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber...

The Son is the bridegroom in John 3:29:

He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

So it is entirely appropriate that under the New Covenant Christians observe Sunday as our day of observance because it is both the day of the Sun and the day of the Son.

[Colossians]

The combination of the following 2 verses tells us that God's resting from His works consisted actually of His slaying of His Son:

"the works were finished from the foundation of the world" Heb 4:3

"the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" Rev 13:8

The foundation of the world, is defined as being at when the works were finished (ie the end of the sixth day), which is when the Lamb was slain.

So when God made the creation, He was actually deliberately speaking as a fool, for He knew very well that the physical creation was vain, it having no eternal spiritual value.

That is, He was simply demonstrating vanity, and drew such as the SDA into thinking it was what He was really on about, by calling it "good". It was good for tricking the SDA, but that is about all, for only God is good.

And so we are told in Hebrews that we are to rest from our works (stop trying to please God) just as God rested from His works, which tells us that God's first Sabbath was in fact His way of saying that He was dead to self, hence His slaying of His Son on that day.

So the SDA, in only perceiving things through non-spiritual eyes (the eyes of the law) and who therefore sees the whole physical creation as having merit, and who sees the whole thing as an easy-to-be grasped story of a grandpa-like God who wants his 'children' (SDAs are fond of callling themselves "children": they never refer to themselves as the Bride of Christ) to have a pleasant life, reasons that there is a positive side to not being able to play golf on Saturday: you get to feel all warm and fuzzy about copying God's rest, the problem being, as I have said, that they don't actually understand what His rest actually consisted of.

So the SDA is actually not resting at all in God's eyes, but thinking to please God through his own efforts at copy-catting God. Any spiritual person understands that one should always be aware of copy-catting: it is rarely a spiritual act.

Hebrews tells us that those of us who have entered into God's rest have not just rested intermittently, but "ceased" altogether from our works "as God did from His".

So the only way to keep God's Sabbath, is to "cease" completely from your works. The works therefore, are not our physical labours (for then we would starve). No rather, our works are any labour by which we attempt to please God and establish our own righteousness by showing God we can copy Him.

So the SDA, in thinking that he is resting like God rested, is in fact doing the very opposite: he is working flat out to try to please God, and thus doing what is repugnant to God. In short, He is not honouring God's first Sabbath, for he is not honouring the fact that God slew His Son on that Sabbath, which first Sabbath told us that any work by which we might try to please God, must be abandoned in deference to faith in God's work of death to self, at Calvary.

[Cross Reference]

Originally Posted by Colossians

The combination of the following 2 verses tells us that God's resting from His works consisted actually of His slaying of His Son:

"the works were finished from the foundation of the world" Heb 4:3

"the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" Rev 13:8

The foundation of the world, is defined as being at when the works were finished (ie the end of the sixth day), which is when the Lamb was slain.

So when God made the creation, He was actually deliberately speaking as a fool, for He knew very well that the physical creation was vain, it having no eternal spiritual value.

That is, He was simply demonstrating vanity, and drew such as the SDA into thinking it was what He was really on about, by calling it "good". It was good for tricking the SDA, but that is about all, for only God is good.

And so we are told in Hebrews that we are to rest from our works (stop trying to please God) just as God rested from His works, which tells us that God's first Sabbath was in fact His way of saying that He was dead to self, hence His slaying of His Son on that day.

So the SDA, in only perceiving things through non-spiritual eyes (the eyes of the law) and who therefore sees the whole physical creation as having merit, and who sees the whole thing as an easy-to-be grasped story of a grandpa-like God who wants his 'children' (SDAs are fond of callling themselves "children": they never refer to themselves as the Bride of Christ) to have a pleasant life, reasons that there is a positive side to not being able to play golf on Saturday: you get to feel all warm and fuzzy about copying God's rest, the problem being, as I have said, that they don't actually understand what His rest actually consisted of.

So the SDA is actually not resting at all in God's eyes, but thinking to please God through his own efforts at copy-catting God. Any spiritual person understands that one should always be aware of copy-catting: it is rarely a spiritual act.

Hebrews tells us that those of us who have entered into God's rest have not just rested intermittently, but "ceased" altogether from our works "as God did from His".

So the only way to keep God's Sabbath, is to "cease" completely from your works. The works therefore, are not our physical labours (for then we would starve). No rather, our works are any labour by which we attempt to please God and establish our own righteousness by showing God we can copy Him.

So the SDA, in thinking that he is resting like God rested, is in fact doing the very opposite: he is working flat out to try to please God, and thus doing what is repugnant to God. In short, He is not honouring God's first Sabbath, for he is not honouring the fact that God slew His Son on that Sabbath, which first Sabbath told us that any work by which we might try to please God, must be abandoned in deference to faith in God's work of death to self, at Calvary.

Who are you reading to arrive at such understanding?

[Wile E. Coyote]

Originally Posted by Colossians

So the SDA, in thinking that he is resting like God rested, is in fact doing the very opposite: he is working flat out to try to please God, and thus doing what is repugnant to God. In short, He is not honouring God's first Sabbath, for he is not honouring the fact that God slew His Son on that Sabbath, which first Sabbath told us that any work by which we might try to please God, must be abandoned in deference to faith in God's work of death to self, at Calvary.

You are on a roll today brother with insight and knock out punches.

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote

You are on a roll today brother with insight and knock out punches.

I don't see any insight. Or knockout punches. Your dreaming again.

[Jason0047]

This reminds me of when Pastors quote to their congregation that they are robbing God if they are not tithing 10%. Yet this is all Old Covenant rules. We are to give to the church of an amount in what we decide to give (2 Corinthians 9:7) (i.e. Free will offerings). The Sabbath took place on a Saturday. The new day of worship was changed in the Scriptures to Sunday to show that we are not bound to the Law of Moses anymore (Acts 20:7). We are under a New Covenant. There is no mixing of Covenants.

Now, there is nothing wrong with celebrating the Sabbath day or any other Holy day (Colossians 2:16-19), but we should never condemn or convince others in not doing so. For keeping the Sabbath is no longer a requirement.

However, besides the next of kin law, God's moral laws do not change. The Sabbath Law is not a moral law. It was observed by the Israelites to show that they were different, separate, and Holy. The Sabbath was created for man and not for God (Mark 2:27). Keeping the Sabbath or not keeping the Sabbath does not cause harm upon anyone unlike the breaking of a moral law could.

[Beloved157]

I agree with Colossians on this one.

9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10) For He that is entered into that rest, he has ceased from his own works, as God did from His.
Hebrews 4:9-10

Jesus Himself tells us that He is our rest, in Matthew 11:28-30

[Hobie]

Originally Posted by Paulos

Once again, I will remind you of the scripture references I gave you which liken Christ to the Sun, and which liken the resurrection of Christ to the rise of the Sun on Sunday, all of which is no coincidence. Notice the connection between Sunrise and Sonrise in these verses:

Mark 16:2, 16:6
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen...But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.

When the Sun rose, the Son also rose! That was not a coincidence. The Son's rise was prophesied by Malachi by likening His resurrection to the rise of the Sun:

Malachi 4:2
But to you who fear My name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings;

Notice that Malachi likens Jesus Christ, the Son of God, with the Sun, and compares His resurrection with the rise of the Sun. As the Sun rises (in a manner of speaking), the Son also rises!

Jesus, the Son, is likened to the Sun in Luke 1:67, 78-79 NIV:

His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied: "...because of the tender mercy of our God, by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven to shine on those living in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the path of peace.

Other scripture passages do the same, such as 2 Peter 1:19.

The Sun is the bridegroom in Psalm 19:1, 4-5:

The heavens declare the glory of God...In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber...

The Son is the bridegroom in John 3:29:

He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

So it is entirely appropriate that under the New Covenant Christians observe Sunday as our day of observance because it is both the day of the Sun and the day of the Son.

The Bible also says that Moses made the Sun stand still by raising his arms and parted the waters but that doesnt say that he sanctioned Sunday worship or made the day holy, but God was very clear on the Sabbath. Lets start with the commandment that points us back to creation week.


Exodus 20:8-11
(8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
(9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
(10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Notice in Genesis that God blessed the seventh day:

Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Now when we return to the commandment, verse 10 reads:

Exodus 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God

The fourth commandment says God blessed the seventh day, and then says that the seventh day “is the sabbath” day. The words “is the” makes it ever clear that the seventh day of Genesis 2:3 is the same seventh day of the fourth commandment, which God himself says that that is the “sabbath” day.

If there is any doubt, God repeats it one more time in the Decalogue:

Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Again, the “seventh day” was the day he “blessed” which he names as the “sabbath day.” And in case we are not sure of which day this was, God specifies it here by saying that it was the day after he made the “heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is…” which day is the seventh day of creation (Genesis 2:2-3). The question, therefore, “Is the Sabbath day mentioned anywhere in the book of Genesis?” is fully answered by the Almighty himself, because the Hebrew word “shabbath” translated “sabbath” in Exodus 20:11 is, says YHWH himself, the “seventh day” mentioned in Genesis 2:1-3. If the seventh day of Genesis 2:1-3 is not connected to the Sabbath day of Exodus 20:8-11, why did Moses make such a connection? The answer is clear, and stands un refuted: because the seventh day of creation week is the sabbath day of the moral Law....

Genesis 2:1-3
(1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
(2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
(3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Take note that after “the heavens and the earth were finished” –verse 1, God still had one more work to get done on the seventh day. The beginning of verse 2 reads, “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made…” One may ask, “What other work did God do on the seventh day and does this not violate it as a day of rest?” We answer, no, because the work he did on the seventh day was not secular work, for verse one already tells us that the heavens and the earth were already “finished.” The work he did on the seventh day is answered in verse 3:

“And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” –verse 3.

Rather then being a secular work, God performed a spiritual work upon the seventh day… he “blessed” and “sanctified” it.

That he “blessed” it is significant, because the bible teaches that whatever the Lord blesses, it is blessed forever. David, the servant of the Lord, understood very well that when God blesses something it will forever be blessed when he said:

1 Chronicles 17:27.
(27) Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever.

Even after the entrance sin, the Sabbath remains blessed:

Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Once again we find a connection between the seventh day of Genesis and the Sabbath day of Exodus 20:8-11. Moses said clearly that it was the “seventh day” that the Lord “blessed,” because that in it he had “rested.”.....

If Sunday was sanctioned and made the day of worship to God then why did the Lord not bless it or make it holy? Why didnt Jesus mention it even once, I think the answer is obvious to even children that Sunday was never made holy or hallowed or anything, it is just the first day in the Bible.

So is it not clear from the above verse in 1 Chronicles 17:27 that what the Lord blesses is blessed forever? How, if the Sabbath has been abolished, is the Sabbath still blessed, seeing it no longer exists, and no one no longer experiences it? The very fact that it was blessed by God himself is sufficient enough to show how perpetual it is. And we know that this is true, and that king David did not lie, because we find the existence of the seventh day Sabbath, still blessed, in the “new heaven and the new earth” –Isaiah 66:23. The prophet Isaiah’s words are therefore proof that indeed what God blesses… “shall be blessed for ever.”

The reason why he blessed the seventh day but did not bless the previous six days or the first was because he had a special purpose for the seventh day, as will now be seen by his use of the word “sanctified.”

The word “sanctified” is used numerous times in the Old Testament, and is a word used in public settings, either of proclamations or dedications. The English word “sanctified” according to Miriam-Webster’s Dictionary means:

1) Sanctified: 1. Made holy; consecrated; set apart for sacred services.

According to Brown Driver Brigg’s Hebrew definitions, the Hebrew word “qadash” translated “sanctified” means:

1) to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate, to be set apart, be consecrated.

Strong’s Hebrew/Greek concordance says “qadash” means:
1) A primitive root; to be (causatively make, pronounce or observe as) clean.

And the Septuagint (LXX), which is the Greek translation of the Old Testament, uses the word “hagiazō” which means:

1) to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.

In other words, to “sanctify” means to, “pronounce, dedicate, to consecrate, be set apart for holy use.” A better understanding of this word can be found in its usage throughout the Old Testament.

Notice the following verse:

Exodus 13:1-2
(1) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
(2) Sanctify [qadash] unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

Notice the word here is used in the context of sanctifying, or dedicating “all” the firstborn. It was announced by God that all the children be sanctified unto him, and this demanded “all” the people to be involved, for they had to obey the Lord and bring in their children for dedication. All were to know, that God was the owner of every firstborn, whether of man or beast. Note also this next verse:

2 Kings 10:20
(20) And Jehu said, Proclaim [qadash] a solemn assembly for Baal. And they proclaimed it.

When used here in the context of proclaiming a solemn feast, “all” the Baal worshipers of Israel were to be informed of this event and to attend it. One more verse:

Numbers 20:12
And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify [qadash] me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

According to this verse, Moses and Aaron were to sanctify God “in the eyes of the children of Israel.”

So we see that when the word “qadash” is used, it is to publicly announce or proclaim that something is set apart for holy use. All those involved were to be made aware of this announcement. Now when God “sanctified” the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day for holy use, who was he proclaiming this to? To who was he announcing that this day was to be holy and set apart, were there any Jews around? It must have only been to those alive upon the earth at that moment, Adam and Eve. It was not for those of other worlds, if there were any at that time. Neither was it for the angels of heaven for these did not live on the earth and could therefore not experience the six day cycle of the earth. Only Adam and Eve were alive then, and to them only was it announced that the seventh day was set apart for holy use.

[Hobie]

Originally Posted by Colossians

Hobie,

What you Seventh Day Adventists have missed, is that Christ was slain on the first Sabbath.

Which means God was declaring the law of no eternal value, right from the beginning.

"God rested from His works" is actually figurative language (cloaked in the language of the Torah) for "God died to self".

So you who think you are doing God honour by not working on the Sabbath, are actually doing the very opposite: you are working to try to please God, and thus violating the Sabbath.

You are in fact not living in accord with the following:

"For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

For you have not rested from trying to please God, and so are going about trying to establish your own righteousness, which is the mark of all false faiths.

You are missing what God did to make the seventh day, the 'rest' component comes from two perspectives: first, our remembrance and celebration of God's completed, perfect work of Creation AND redemption AND His work of restoration, which He WILL complete; and, secondly, our need to set aside one day a week to rest from our weekly labors. Secondly, the worship component, which arises out of the fact that God sanctified the Sabbath day (qadash) that is, He set it apart for holy use and purposes."

Sanctification- The word "sanctification" is a translation of the Greek hagiasmos, meaning "holiness," "consecration," "sanctification," from hagiazo, "to make holy," "to consecrate," "to sanctify," "to set apart." The Hebrew equivalent is qadash, "to separate from common use."

So the origin of the 'Sabbath' is God's resting on the seventh day from the work of creation and making it special or seperating from common use (Gen. 2:2, 3). There are several Hebrew verbs translated "rest." Shabat means specifically "ceasing," in this case from work. The Hebrew noun translated Sabbath, 'Shabbat', also means "a ceasing" from work.

[Hobie]

Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote

You are on a roll today brother with insight and knock out punches.

Lets not get carried away now..........

You have to look and see what it says so you can see who kept the Sabbath in scripture.

God Himself kept the Sabbath day:

Genesis 2:1-3
(1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
(2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
(3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Adam and Even were given it at Creation so Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath:

Mark 2:27
(27) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Note: The Sabbath was made “for man” and when the Sabbath first came into the picture (Genesis 2:1-3) the only man alive then was Adam and his wife Eve. Therefore, the Sabbath was made for them, and for their offspring.

Cain and Abel kept the Sabbath:

Genesis 4:1-8
(1) And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
(2) And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
(3) And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
(4) And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
(5) But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
(6) And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
(7) If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
(8) And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Note: Cain “slew” his brother Abel, therefore committing a sin, and God told him in verse 7 that “sin lieth at the door.” Now the definition of sin “is the transgression of the law.” – 1 John 3:4. And every law, the 4th, the 5th, the 10, the 6th, etc, are all equal and are all to be treated the same according to James 2:10-11. In Romans 4:15 we also read that, “where no law is, there is no transgression.” Therefore, if all the laws must be together, and one cant be violated without violating the other, when Cain killed Abel, he broke the entire law, including the Sabbath law, for where there is no law, there is no transgression, yet since there was sin in the time of Cain and Abel, the law was also there, for one law has can not exist without the other.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob kept the Sabbath:

Genesis 26:5
(5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Note: Many would be surprised to learn that faithful Abraham was also a Sabbath keeper. The above verse states that he obeyed God and kept his commandments. Now lets read some more about the commandments that Abraham kept:

1 Chronicles 16:15-17
(15) Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
(16) Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
(17) And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant.

Some believe the covenant God made with Abraham was circumcision, but a closer look reveals this was not the covenant, but the “sign” of that covenant:

Genesis 17:7-11
(7) And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
(8) And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
(9) And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
(10) This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
(11) And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

Notice above that circumcision was to be a token (or sign) “of the covenant.” In 1 Chronicles 16, verse 17, we read that the same covenant God made with Abraham was “the same” he made with “Israel for an everlasting covenant. What was the covenant he made with Israel?

Deuteronomy 4:13
(13) And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Therefore, since the covenant made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was the Ten Commandments, which included the Sabbath, this means they were all Sabbath keepers.

Joseph kept the Sabbath:

Genesis 39:7-9
(7) And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
(8) But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
(9) There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

Note: Joseph understood that committing adultery was a commandment of God. Since all the law is connected (James 2:10-11) and he did not want to violate the 7th commandment, it follows that he would not have wanted to also violate the 4th commandment, the Sabbath, since they has always existed together, and were all part of that same covenant God made with Abraham.


King David observed the Sabbath:

Psalm 92:1-3
(1) A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD, and to sing praises unto thy name, O most High:
(2) To shew forth thy lovingkindness in the morning, and thy faithfulness every night,
(3) Upon an instrument of ten strings, and upon the psaltery; upon the harp with a solemn sound.

Note: King David, although a sinner, was such a faithful Sabbath keeper he even dedicated one of his Psalms for the Sabbath.

Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath:

Luke 4:16
(16) And he came to Nazareth, where he [Jesus Christ] had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Note: There are three recorded instances where we read that Jesus observed the Sabbath. First, as creator of this world (John 1:3) Jesus observed it in the beginning (Genesis 2:1-3), he observed it during his lifetime (Luke 4:16) and even observed it while in the grave (Luke 23:53-56, 24:1-3) showing that from the beginning of time until the day following his death no change has taken place in the Sabbath. It was neither changed, nor abolished. Jesus was a faithful Sabbath keeper before any ceremonial law ever existed, and even after the ceremonial law has been done away with. True followers of Christ are to "walk even as he walked" - 1 John 2:6.