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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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June 21st, 2012, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
Come on, you know as well as I do that you think...
What I think has already been stated in Posts #3, #8, and #14 above.
Your OP stands as a straightforward lie.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
Of course, that's complete nonsense. You've carefully selected certain verses that you feel might be forced into service to your tradition's opinion, and conveniently ignored other biblical texts that teach directly contrary to your view. However, as I've already posted, you must
...show your opinion from the teaching of Scripture---all of Scripture, that is---and not the teachings of your favored non-Catholic sectatrian tradition.
In short, your tradition's opinion fails to account for all of the biblical data relating to ecclesiology. It is therefore both truncated and reductionistic.
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Is the following your position on salvation?
Salvation in Roman Catholicism is not an instantaneous occurrence where God declares a person righteous -- which is the biblically correct position. Instead, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is a process where grace is infused into a believer at baptism and also through the sacraments. This infused grace allows the Catholic to perform good works and thereby demonstrate his or her worthiness of salvation.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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June 21st, 2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bright Raven
Is the following your position on salvation?
Salvation in Roman Catholicism is not an instantaneous occurrence where God declares a person righteous -- which is the biblically correct position. Instead, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is a process where grace is infused into a believer at baptism and also through the sacraments. This infused grace allows the Catholic to perform good works and thereby demonstrate his or her worthiness of salvation.
No, that is not my position as a Catholic, nor is it accurate.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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June 21st, 2012, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bright Raven
Would you point out the inaccuracy.
Sure. It consists of the following highlighted portions of your statement:
Salvation in Roman Catholicism is not an instantaneous occurrence where God declares a person righteous -- which is the biblically correct position. Instead, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is a process where grace is infused into a believer at baptism and also through the sacraments. This infused grace allows the Catholic to perform good works and thereby demonstrate his or her worthiness of salvation.
All of the highlighted parts are incorrect.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
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Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.
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June 23rd, 2012, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruciform
Sure. It consists of the following highlighted portions of your statement:
Salvation in Roman Catholicism is not an instantaneous occurrence where God declares a person righteous -- which is the biblically correct position. Instead, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is a process where grace is infused into a believer at baptism and also through the sacraments. This infused grace allows the Catholic to perform good works and thereby demonstrate his or her worthiness of salvation.
All of the highlighted parts are incorrect.
Gaudium de veritate,
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Salvation is by the work and person of Jesus Christ plus nothing except faith.
Sinners cannot save sinners nor can sinners save themselves.
It must be by faith alone so that it can be by Christ alone.
All of your good works are tainted with sin and pride and are not acceptable to God. God only accepts perfection. God only accepts Jesus Christ.
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Gaudium de veritate (Latin, "Delight in the truth")
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June 23rd, 2012, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Pate
Salvation is by the work and person of Jesus Christ plus nothing except faith. Sinners cannot save sinners nor can sinners save themselves. It must be by faith alone so that it can be by Christ alone. All of your good works are tainted with sin and pride and are not acceptable to God. God only accepts perfection. God only accepts Jesus Christ.
Posts #3, #8, and #14.
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"The very tradition, teaching, & faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles & preserved by the Fathers. On this the Church was founded..." ~ St. Athanasius (4th cent.)
June 21st, 2012, 03:42 PM
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