[CHR_Iam_IST]

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, 'Let there be light': and there was light. (Genesis 1:1-3)"

The Triune (Trinity): And GOD (The FATHER) said, (THE WORD of GOD/JESUS CHRIST-John 1:1-3,14) 'Let there be light': and (THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT/THE POWER of GOD-Luke 1:35) there was light (Genesis 1:3).

ONE GOD in THREE Distinct PERSONS!

There is NO PART of GOD that is not ALL GOD:

1) GOD THE FATHER IS GOD!
2) THE WORD of GOD {JESUS CHRIST} IS GOD (John 1:1-3,14)!
3) THE POWER of GOD {THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT} IS GOD (Luke 1:35)!

[RevTestament]

Oh boy! you are going places in the trinitarian world.

[CHR_Iam_IST]

Originally Posted by RevTestament

Oh boy! you are going places in the trinitarian world.

Well its only proper in that this "trinitarian world" is made up of Solids, Liquids, and Gases, huh!

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by CHR_Iam_IST

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, 'Let there be light': and there was light. (Genesis 1:1-3)"

The Triune (Trinity): And GOD (The FATHER) said, (THE WORD of GOD/JESUS CHRIST-John 1:1-3,14) 'Let there be light': and (THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT/THE POWER of GOD-Luke 1:35) there was light (Genesis 1:3).

ONE GOD in THREE Distinct PERSONS!

There is NO PART of GOD that is not ALL GOD:

1) GOD THE FATHER IS GOD!
2) THE WORD of GOD {JESUS CHRIST} IS GOD (John 1:1-3,14)!
3) THE POWER of GOD {THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT} IS GOD (Luke 1:35)!

Questions to ask yourself:
Was God (father) ever alone?

Using man's logic, you must have a father to have a Son.
Where did the son come from?
Who is this son?

What spirit moved accross the face of the waters?
Is that spirit of God the Son?

Answer thoes questions and you might have a better understanding of God.

[OMEGA]

CRYING MESS

Nice Try but No Cigar.NEWBIE...... ....


GOD THE FATHER WAS NEVER IN THE OLD TESTAMENT :

Re 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Mt 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Lu 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

JESUS was the Lord God of the Old Testament.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, worship the Father.

Joh 4:23 ... the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth:
for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

[CHR_Iam_IST]

Originally Posted by keypurr

Questions to ask yourself:

I TOTALLY believe Jeremiah 9:23-24, as it is the only thing GOD doesn't mind his Children bragging about: "Thus says the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: But let him that glories glory in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD who exercises lovingkindness, justice, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, says the LORD.", I prefer asking THE Written WORD of GOD your questions; I'm certain HIS WORD provide much better answers to the question you're wanting me to ask myself.

Originally Posted by keypurr

Was God (father) ever alone?

According to JESUS CHRIST, "God (father)" has never been "alone": "Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world. (John 17:24)"

Originally Posted by keypurr

Using man's logic, you must have a father to have a Son.

Again, THE Written WORD of GOD says, "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent (intelligent). (1 Corinthians 1:19)", so much so, "That no flesh should glory in his presence. (1 Corinthians 1:29)"

Originally Posted by keypurr

Where did the son come from?

It is written, "For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. (John 16:27-28)", and "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him. (John 1:18)"

Originally Posted by keypurr

Who is this son?

"In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD was GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. And THE WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:1-3,14)"

Originally Posted by keypurr

What spirit moved accross the face of the waters?

"And THE SPIRIT of GOD moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2c)"

Originally Posted by keypurr

Is that spirit of God the Son?

THE SPIRIT of GOD is the POWER of GOD: "And the angel answered and said unto her, THE HOLY SPIRIT shall come upon you, and THE POWER of THE HIGHESGT shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:35)"

Originally Posted by keypurr

Answer thoes questions and you might have a better understanding of God.

And now, so should you!!!

[CHR_Iam_IST]

Originally Posted by OMEGA

CRYING MESS

Nice Try but No Cigar.NEWBIE...... ....


GOD THE FATHER WAS NEVER IN THE OLD TESTAMENT :

Neither was "OMEGA"! SO what's your point?

BTW, The Same GOD that became THE FATHER in the NT IS THE Very SAME GOD found in the OT.

[OMEGA]

CHITS said,

BTW, The Same GOD that became THE FATHER in the NT IS THE Very SAME GOD found in the OT.
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WRONG AGAIN.

If you study the word TESTATOR in Hebrews,

you will see that JESUS was the God of the Old Testament

and had to Die to annul the Old Covenant and establish the New Covenant.
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[CHR_Iam_IST]

Originally Posted by OMEGA

WRONG AGAIN.

If you study the word TESTATOR in Hebrews,

you will see that JESUS was the God of the Old Testament

and had to Die to annul the Old Covenant and establish the New Covenant.
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Seems to me that you're jumping all over the place in this discussion; first you state, emphatically (in an earlier post), that "GOD THE FATHER" is not found in the Old Testament; and now you're claiming that, "JESUS was the God of the Old Testament";

And its really interesting how, to support your belief, you found a word (as important as you make it out to be) used only twice ("TESTATOR" διατιθεμαι diatithemai dee-at-ith'-em-ahee) in the entirety of Scripture (and that usage is ONLY in the New Testament no less) and assign it to support your idea of having been "JESUS" CHRIST as "God" . . . in the Old Testament even; Now that's really funny!

BTW, If "JESUS was the God of the Old Testament", then WHO IS "the God of the" New Testament?

How does THE GOD WHO "is not the author of Confusion" go from being, according to you, "the God of the Old Testament" to being the SON of GOD in the New Testament? Or are you now claiming that 'sons produce fathers'?

And how do you reconcile your belief with the passage (from Hebrews), "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever. (Heb 13:8)"?

[tomlapalm]

Have you considered that God chose to show Himself in only three persons to us but might be more.

The Son wasn't a son until He became a son of man. If God was mentioned anywhere all of God was implied although action or contact or action with man was expressed in one personality.

When Jesus was with us, GOD was with us , the same with the Holy Spirit. We use the Father as God because we designate Jesus, as the Son.

It is like looking in a glass triangular pyramid, it depends on how it is positioned for us to see one face or all three
Remember, the Spirit glorifies the Son and the Son glorifies the Father by drawing us to GOD

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by CHR_Iam_IST

I TOTALLY believe Jeremiah 9:23-24, as it is the only thing GOD doesn't mind his Children bragging about: "Thus says the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: But let him that glories glory in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD who exercises lovingkindness, justice, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, says the LORD.", I prefer asking THE Written WORD of GOD your questions; I'm certain HIS WORD provide much better answers to the question you're wanting me to ask myself.

I agree that man is foolish compared to God. But we have his word to try to understand him.

According to JESUS CHRIST, "God (father)" has never been "alone": "Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world. (John 17:24)"

This only says that the spirit Jesus has was before creation. It say nothing but God being alone.

Again, THE Written WORD of GOD says, "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent (intelligent). (1 Corinthians 1:19)", so much so, "That no flesh should glory in his presence. (1 Corinthians 1:29)"

Again, we got the book to teach us.

It is written, "For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. (John 16:27-28)", and "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him. (John 1:18)"

True, he loves us. And God created through his image spirit son.

"In the beginning was THE WORD, and THE WORD was with GOD, and THE WORD was GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. And THE WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:1-3,14)"

In the beginning of WHAT?

Time is a creation. There was a time when God was alone. He created his image spirit. Then he created through that spirit everything else. Including time.

"And THE SPIRIT of GOD moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2c)"

Proves my point above.

THE SPIRIT of GOD is the POWER of GOD: "And the angel answered and said unto her, THE HOLY SPIRIT shall come upon you, and THE POWER of THE HIGHESGT shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:35)"

Yep, he is the flesh son of God, he is also called the son of Man.

And now, so should you!!!

I do, Jesus is the Son of God, not THE TRUE GOD.
Jesus tells us that his father is the only true God.

Peace friend.

[CHR_Iam_IST]

Originally Posted by keypurr

I agree that man is foolish compared to God. But we have his word to try to understand him.

So then, does what you assert here leave any room for ". . . the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26)"

Originally Posted by keypurr

This only says that the spirit Jesus has was before creation. It say nothing but God being alone.

How can "the spirit Jesus has" precede/come before the "Jesus" of Whom HE/it is "the spirit" of?

Originally Posted by keypurr

Again, we got the book to teach us.

And "Again", along side "the book to teach us", we are also to have, ". . . the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26)"

Originally Posted by keypurr

Time is a creation. There was a time when God was alone. He created his image spirit. Then he created through that spirit everything else. Including time.

How could there have been "a time when God was alone" if GOD had not yet Created "Time"?

Originally Posted by keypurr

Proves my point above.

Not quite; because according to you, you have "a time when God was alone" prior to HIS Creation of "Time".

Originally Posted by keypurr

I do, Jesus is the Son of God, not THE TRUE GOD.
Jesus tells us that his father is the only true God.

How can that be so if as JESUS HIMSELF said, "I and my Father are one. (John 10:30)"?
And if its not too much to ask, please explain WHO the prophecy stating "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6) ", is about?

[jerzy]

Originally Posted by CHR_Iam_IST

The Triune (Trinity): And GOD (The FATHER) said, (THE WORD of GOD/JESUS CHRIST-John 1:1-3,14) 'Let there be light': and (THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT/THE POWER of GOD-Luke 1:35) there was light (Genesis 1:3).

Did you know that the word Trinity never appears in the scriptures and those who add to God's word are accursed?

2) THE WORD of GOD {JESUS CHRIST} IS GOD (John 1:1-3,14)!
3) THE POWER of GOD {THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT} IS GOD (Luke 1:35)!

Did you know that logos (especially in Jn 1:1-3. John refers to Isa 55:11, Ps 33:6+9 and so on) never denotes Jesus?

Did you know that many of the 16th century as well as contemporary Trinitarian translations state differently?

Did you know that the Spirit of God or the Holy Spirit is never referred to as God the Holy Spirit?

Did you know that Jesus is never referred to as God Jesus?

Did you ever read the Bible or just hear & repeat the silly stories?

[OMEGA]

CHRIMIST,

To me you are a False Christian because a Christian studies and lives by the word of God and you do not seem to take the Word of God seriously.

Isa 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD:
but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

[tomlapalm]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Did you know that the word Trinity never appears in the scriptures and those who add to God's word are accursed?



Did you know that logos (especially in Jn 1:1-3. John refers to Isa 55:11, Ps 33:6+9 and so on) never denotes Jesus?

Did you know that many of the 16th century as well as contemporary Trinitarian translations state differently?

Did you know that the Spirit of God or the Holy Spirit is never referred to as God the Holy Spirit?

Did you know that Jesus is never referred to as God Jesus?

Did you ever read the Bible or just hear & repeat the silly stories?

Jesus is referred as God , during His temptation He quotes scripture to Satan not to tempt the LORD thy GOD, as an example.

Those who know GOD knew Him as GOD

in Gen 1: the Spirit move upon the Face of the earth to form creation, yet we know through Jesus all things were made.
His work shows Him as the God

He claimed to be GOD, I and My Father are One etc.

But more personally, GOD didn't send a created being to die for another created being,, HE came Himself