[glorydaz]

Originally Posted by RevTestament

To what? Trinitarian non-scriptural gobbledygook? Not even you accept all that man-made junk - for which I commend you. Maybe one day if your ears aren't opened, your eyes will be, but then you will miss the first resurrection.

You don't even know what Trinitarians believe...you just think you know. And I wouldn't worry so much about what I might miss...rather look to your own soul and see if you be in like "precious faith."

2 Peter 1:5-7
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.


2 Peter 1:9-11
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

[glorydaz]

Originally Posted by keypurr

NO THEY ARE NOT, One is the IMAGE of the other.
One has a God (Jesus), one does not (the Father).

Jesus is a created form of God, the FIRST creation.

Only one is the TRUE GOD.

Yes, and you are antichrist for denying Jesus is God come in the flesh.

That's the test, whether you want to admit it or not. That's the stone upon which many have stumbled. Look how offended you get at the very suggestion that Jesus is God. A rock of offense. You deny it, just as the Jews did when He came the first time.

[glorydaz]

Originally Posted by jerzy

The Father is the only one true God Jn 17:3, 1Cor 8:6; the Father is the LORD De 6:4, De 32:39.

The Father the only one true God, the LORD made His anointed man the Lord Ac 2:36.

God doesn't need anointing of another God.

God or the infinite power doesn't need to be given authority over anything for it is the absolute and infinite authority.

Ah yes, that "man" who was before all things and through whom all things consist. That definition of man sounds suspiciously like the One True God. Squirm your way around that at your own peril.

[glorydaz]

Originally Posted by jerzy

Why?

Because I follow my Lord Jesus Christ not you?

Because I quote from God's word and abhor your fables?

Are you threatening to kill me as your forefathers did to the true worshippers of the Father the only one true God?

What? Like the disciples were killed for worshipping Yah'shua, the God of Salvation?

[Apple7]

Eat up...!

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by glorydaz

Yes, and you are antichrist for denying Jesus is God come in the flesh.

That's the test, whether you want to admit it or not. That's the stone upon which many have stumbled. Look how offended you get at the very suggestion that Jesus is God. A rock of offense. You deny it, just as the Jews did when He came the first time.

No.

I think people like to remind you that Jesus is a man.

Jesus Christ came in the flesh and He is now resurrected in the same body He had before His death.

You however deny that He has a resurrected flesh body of flesh and bone and you think He is a spirit.

The JWs believe something like that.

The disciples held Christ by his feet after His resurrection.

The denial of Christ flesh is anti-christ and you continue to act like it will all your threatenings.

LA

[Wile E. Coyote]

Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon

No.


Jesus Christ came in the flesh and He is now resurrected in the same body He had before His death.

You however deny that He has a resurrected flesh body of flesh and bone and you think He is a spirit.

The JWs believe something like that.

The disciples held Christ by his feet after His resurrection.

No! Jesus is NOT in a body of flesh now. He dwells in "unapproachable light" now. Flesh would be consumed in such light. Christ was raised up in His body of flesh so He could appear to His disciples. After the 40 days He didn't need the flesh anymore. Paul said that He is a spirit now, 1 Corinthians 15:45.

This does not make Glorydayz or me a JW because the JW's say that He was raised a spirit. We believe that He was raised flesh but then became spirit at His ascension. There is no flesh in heaven. Paul said that it is impossible, 1 Corinthians 15:50.

The purpose of flesh is to be a temporary dwelling. This is why Paul calls it a "tent."

The denial of Christ flesh is anti-christ and you continue to act like it will all your threatenings.

Wrong again. The denial that He came in the flesh is the anti-christ. He does not remain in the flesh. Flesh is a "tent" and not a "house." He was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off flesh forever. So we will put off flesh forever when we are made in His image.

You are all accusation and no substance.

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by glorydaz

Yes, and you are antichrist for denying Jesus is God come in the flesh.

That's the test, whether you want to admit it or not. That's the stone upon which many have stumbled. Look how offended you get at the very suggestion that Jesus is God. A rock of offense. You deny it, just as the Jews did when He came the first time.

Glorydaz, you need to go back to school to learn to read. You have no undeerstanding of my faith.

Jesus is not God in the flesh, God was IN Jesus. The antichrist is one who denies that Jesus came in the flesh, I don't. Your in the box of tradition and do not have a clue who Jesus really is. Your what they call a sit and soaker person.

Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—

Act 3:26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities."

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Notice in these verses that JESUS HAS A GOD, and God worked through Jesus.

You should learn what an antichrist is before you call someone that.

[Paulos]

Isaiah 44:8
Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.

1 Corinthians 10:4
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote

No! Jesus is NOT in a body of flesh now. He dwells in "unapproachable light" now. Flesh would be consumed in such light. Christ was raised up in His body of flesh so He could appear to His disciples. After the 40 days He didn't need the flesh anymore. Paul said that He is a spirit now, 1 Corinthians 15:45. This does not make Glorydayz or me a JW because the JW's say that He was raised a spirit. We believe that He was raised flesh but then became spirit at His ascension. There is no flesh in heaven. Paul said that it is impossible, 1 Corinthians 15:50.

The purpose of flesh is to be a temporary dwelling. This is why Paul calls it a "tent."

No flesh or bones in heaven, so I agree.
Thank your for saying "unapproachable light" it reminds me of an experience I had.

Wrong again. The denial that He came in the flesh is the anti-christ. He does not remain in the flesh. Flesh is a "tent" and not a "house." He was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off flesh forever. So we will put off flesh forever when we are made in His image.

You are all accusation and no substance.

WRONG, the denial that Jesus, the son of God, came in the flesh is antichrist. Jesus was not the TRUE God, he held the Christ spirit IN him.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. NKJV

1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Notice, Jesus in the flesh NOT God in the flesh.

[keypurr]

Originally Posted by Paulos

Isaiah 44:8
Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.

1 Corinthians 10:4
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

AMEN friend, the same ROCK that started the church, not Peter.

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote

No! Jesus is NOT in a body of flesh now. He dwells in "unapproachable light" now. Flesh would be consumed in such light. Christ was raised up in His body of flesh so He could appear to His disciples. After the 40 days He didn't need the flesh anymore. Paul said that He is a spirit now, 1 Corinthians 15:45.

No. Paul said His body was spiritual, not spirit.

There is no scripture which says Christs body was changed in any way by His ascension into Heaven.

The only thing to happen is that the resurrected spiritual body of Jesus, the body of flesh and bone , is permeated with the Glory Of God.

Jesus already was presented before the Throne of God in Heaven after His resurrection before the disciples were allowed to TOUCH Him, which they did.

This does not make Glorydayz or me a JW because the JW's say that He was raised a spirit. We believe that He was raised flesh but then became spirit at His ascension. There is no flesh in heaven. Paul said that it is impossible, 1 Corinthians 15:50.

The purpose of flesh is to be a temporary dwelling. This is why Paul calls it a "tent."

Provide scripture to show Jesus is no longer a man, for spirit is not a man.

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
2Co 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Wrong again. The denial that He came in the flesh is the anti-christ. He does not remain in the flesh. Flesh is a "tent" and not a "house." He was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off flesh forever. So we will put off flesh forever when we are made in His image.

You are all accusation and no substance.

Here is substance.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

LA

[Lazy afternoon]

Originally Posted by keypurr

No flesh or bones in heaven, so I agree.

Do you also deny the resurrection of Christ into a spiritual flesh and bone body which the disciples held the feet of?

WRONG, the denial that Jesus, the son of God, came in the flesh is antichrist. Jesus was not the TRUE God, he held the Christ spirit IN him.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. NKJV

1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Notice, Jesus in the flesh NOT God in the flesh.

Right.

LA

[Cross Reference]

The denial that He came in the flesh is the anti-christ. He does not remain in the flesh. Flesh is a "tent" and not a "house."

Indeed, the Tabernacle was the House of the Lord___ but the Temple wasn't?

Ah, the "types" given for our understanding, that go ignored.

[oatmeal]

Originally Posted by Paulos

Isaiah 44:8
Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.

1 Corinthians 10:4
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

God made Moses god Exodus 7:1 "god" is a title of authority and respect. There is no god above "the God" but that does not exclude that there are people who God has given authority to.

John 10:34-35 , Exodus 7:1, Psalm 82

Followed? followed in time, the promised Messiah who was to come, but was not yet in existence, except in the mind of God.

oatmeal