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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 30th, 2012, 06:43 PM
2Sa 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
2Sa 7:11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
2Sa 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
2Sa 7:17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.
Psa 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
Psa 89:21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
Psa 89:22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
Psa 89:23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
Psa 89:24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
Psa 89:25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
Psa 89:26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
Psa 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
Psa 89:28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
Psa 89:29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
Psa 89:30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
Psa 89:31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Psa 89:32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Psa 89:33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
Psa 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Psa 89:35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psa 89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
Psa 89:37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.
What say you to this.
Better put this--
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
and this--
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Great news of the coming of God's son. A kinsman, a man, who will be filled with the full spirit of God and will save man from sin.
Psalm 1[/color] and Job 28:28
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 30th, 2012, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by keypurr
Great news of the coming of God's son. A kinsman, a man, who will be filled with the full spirit of God and will save man from sin.
What can you say about this bit--
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
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If "THE RESURRECTION" of JESUS CHRIST was a Lie, at least, 11 of HIS Disciples Died 4 a Lie. . .KNOWING it was a Lie (1Corinthians 15:3-11)!
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June 30th, 2012, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.LA
The passage above (2Samuel 7:14-15) is a Message from THE LORD (JEHOVAH) via Nathan the Prophet to David, about the relationship THE LORD intends to have with David's son, Solomon, who will build the Temple that David has been disqualified from building.
The key to understanding that the Passage is NOT about JESUS CHRIST is found in the phrase, "If he commit iniquity..."! That for THE LORD GOD, in HIS Omniscience (All-Knowing), would not have been a consideration and/nor a possibility!
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 30th, 2012, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CHR_Iam_IST
The passage above (2Samuel 7:14-15) is a Message from THE LORD (JEHOVAH) via Nathan the Prophet to David, about the relationship THE LORD intends to have with David's son, Solomon, who will build the Temple that David has been disqualified from building.
The key to understanding that the Passage is NOT about JESUS CHRIST is found in the phrase, "If he commit iniquity..."! That for THE LORD GOD, in HIS Omniscience (All-Knowing), would not have been a consideration and/nor a possibility!
read the context.
2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
Slogan/motto:
If "THE RESURRECTION" of JESUS CHRIST was a Lie, at least, 11 of HIS Disciples Died 4 a Lie. . .KNOWING it was a Lie (1Corinthians 15:3-11)!
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June 30th, 2012, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon
read the context.
2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
Solomns throne and kingdom is no more.
LA
You read it! And this time try starting at Verse 1!
2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
Solomns throne and kingdom is no more.
LA
What if 7:13 applied to Christ and 7:14 applied to His followers, as in (Hebrews 12:5-6, Revelation 3:19, 1 Corinthians 11:32) This could be used also for the Psalm 89:30-33
Otherwise you would have to contend with(2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Peter 2:22, 1 John 3:5)
If you can apply commit iniquity to be spoken figuratively as Christ becoming sin, this will also work.
Also Acts 2:31 should not be translated into Hell, it is Hades or the Grave the general description of where all the dead go. Unless you knew enough to separate it from what people generally hold as the place where only sinners go to be tortured. It's for this reason Catholics hold that He actually was sent to Hell (Gehenna)
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Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
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June 30th, 2012, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 2COR12:9
What if 7:13 applied to Christ and 7:14 applied to His followers, as in (Hebrews 12:5-6, Revelation 3:19, 1 Corinthians 11:32) This could be used also for the Psalm 89:30-33
Otherwise you would have to contend with(2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Peter 2:22, 1 John 3:5)
If you can apply commit iniquity to be spoken figuratively as Christ becoming sin, this will also work.
Also Acts 2:31 should not be translated into Hell, it is Hades or the Grave the general description of where all the dead go. Unless you knew enough to separate it from what people generally hold as the place where only sinners go to be tortured. It's for this reason Catholics hold that He actually was sent to Hell (Gehenna)
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