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Adam passed down human nature...like begets like. God created Adam upright, but he sinned. God forms us in our mother's womb upright, but we sin.
Try this and I believe this will round out the truth of what you are attempting to convey:
Adam was created "good"__ not perfect; holiness being perfection:
Because Adam was intended by God to made holy, when Adam transgression he forfeited all possibilities of that happening__with the further consequence being, his progeny would also suffer the same forfeiture, God's curse re everything else notwithstanding.
What this does does not change anyone's nature and leaves the issues of dealing with "vanity" that influences the flesh of man, intact and Satan lurking about about to further influence the "sensuality" of it [life by sight]. Though Jesus has broken the power of Satan to influence, mans flesh remains to be influenced by "vanity". So we can safely say that "flesh" and "vanity", that speak of demanding 'my rights to myself', go hand in glove and must be overcome.
None of this has to do with a sin nature being passed on but a nature left un-rectified by holiness. Enter Jesus Christ who demonstrated how it can only be achieved and a fresh choice, with similar consequences given Adam, given to man.
Try this and I believe this will round out the truth of what you are attempting to convey:
Adam was created "good"__ not perfect; holiness being perfection:
Because Adam was intended by God to made holy, when Adam transgression he forfeited all possibilities of that happening__with the further consequence being, his progeny would also suffer the same forfeiture, God's curse re everything else notwithstanding.
What this does does not change anyone's nature and leaves the issues of dealing with "vanity" that influences the flesh of man, intact and Satan lurking about about to further influence the "sensuality" of it [life by sight]. Though Jesus has broken the power of Satan to influence, mans flesh remains to be influenced by "vanity". So we can safely say that "flesh" and "vanity", that speak of demanding 'my rights to myself', go hand in glove and must be overcome.
None of this has to do with a sin nature being passed on but a nature left un-rectified by holiness. Enter Jesus Christ who demonstrated how it can only be achieved and a fresh choice, with similar consequences given Adam, given to man.
Very astute.
Notice how Eve was drawn away with the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life. All men are susceptible to those through the weakness of the flesh. Adam, on the other hand, disobeyed a direct command from God not to eat of the fruit, and was not deceived as was Eve...thereby bringing down the curse of death to all men. Between the two, we see both ways a man can sin.
Because of Adam's sin, we now live separated from God while sin lies at the door waiting to tempt. What you have put forth is in keeping with the whole Word of God, and I believe you've "rounded out the truth" quite well...including what Paul teaches in Romans 7.
Notice how Eve was drawn away with the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life. All men are susceptible to those through the weakness of the flesh. Adam, on the other hand, disobeyed a direct command from God not to eat of the fruit, and was not deceived as was Eve...thereby bringing down the curse of death to all men. Between the two, we see both ways a man can sin.
Because of Adam's sin, we now live separated from God while sin lies at the door waiting to tempt. What you have put forth is in keeping with the whole Word of God, and I believe you've "rounded out the truth" quite well...including what Paul teaches in Romans 7.
I don't believe you are quite there:
Being born again reestablishes our connection to God. My point is this:
"Though Jesus has broken the power of Satan to influence, man's flesh remains to be influenced by "vanity". So we can safely say that "flesh" and "vanity", that speak of demanding 'my rights to myself', go hand in glove and must be overcome."
Only our transfiguration [flesh to glorified flesh] will rid our subjection to it our new birth does not provide for. By vanity is the continual test that will sort out the very elect from the elect which is all in the purposes of God in "bringing many sons unto glory". You know that verse, I'm sure.
Being born again reestablishes our connection to God. My point is this:
"Though Jesus has broken the power of Satan to influence, man's flesh remains to be influenced by "vanity". So we can safely say that "flesh" and "vanity", that speak of demanding 'my rights to myself', go hand in glove and must be overcome."
Only our transfiguration [flesh to glorified flesh] will rid our subjection to it our new birth does not provide for. By vanity is the continual test that will sort out the very elect from the elect which is all in the purposes of God in "bringing many sons unto glory". You know that verse, I'm sure.
No, I understand what you're saying, and I agree. That's why I mentioned Romans 7.
Romans 7:23-24
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
If Christ was of the natural egg of mary, and of her flesh, then the purpose of Christ being born sinless was nullified. No one being born just the natural seed of anyone is a child of God ! Rom 9:8
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
No, I understand what you're saying, and I agree. That's why I mentioned Romans 7.
Romans 7:23-24
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Romans 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
OK. I am on board. Now your challenge becomes one of conversing with other Christian who aren't and understanding why.
. . . . . . We can't blame on the devil any longer.
If Christ was of the natural egg of mary, and of her flesh, then the purpose of Christ being born sinless was nullified. No one being born just the natural seed of anyone is a child of God ! Rom 9:8
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
But that wasn't case with Mary's human egg, fertilized by the Seed of God, now was it?
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